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New Entry Into Wake Boat Market - Course Ski Boats Next???

JonBJonB Posts: 31 Baller
From BoatTest.Com:
Finally, there is a line of state-of-the-art wakeboats that not only produce competition-sized wakes, but are also remarkably affordable. Little wonder, since Heyday is now a division of Bayliner, a brand built on the concept of low-cost boating. But, make no mistake about it, the four models in the Heyday line are not warmed-over Bayliners, but rather their own creations, designed from the keel up by wakeboat experts and enthusiasts. These boats are full of innovations and unusual design and must be seen to be appreciated.

Promo Video Link Below (hope I did it correctly Horton)

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  • LoopSkiLoopSki Posts: 571 Crazy Baller
    This was discussed awhile back when it first came out. No ski tractor. However I do know of a project that may finally see production !
  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 1,185 Crazy Baller
    From what I have heard from some dealers it is nearly impossible for anyone to get rid of one of those heyday boats... people would rather spend $65K on an Axis than $40K on a heyday
  • RINLERINLE Posts: 61 Baller
    Axis is a nice boat if you don't care about skiing. I wish they made an Axis equivalent to the 20 VTX.
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 3,925 Mega Baller
    I'm afraid they missed the hay day of wakeboarding. A 40k full sized surf tractor is the current market.
  • bigskieridahobigskieridaho Posts: 939 Crazy Baller
    For a person like me who is on the big lake almost every weekend, I have never seen one of those boats on the water. I feel people would rather buy a used big name boat than one of those. The new surf model is nice, but not sure if it will sell in this market, especially when the Bayliner name is attached to it. Personal preference I guess. As for being reasonably priced it is way cheaper than other new models so that’s a plus. Heyday ski boat....Doubtful.
    wheelskis
  • oldjeepoldjeep Posts: 3,437 Mega Baller
    Those silly things have been out for a couple years. Have yet to ever see one in person
    Chuck P
    Not a mechanic but I play one at home
  • oldjeepoldjeep Posts: 3,437 Mega Baller
    @BraceMaker - the heyday is a surf boat
    Chuck P
    Not a mechanic but I play one at home
  • 6balls6balls Posts: 5,214 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited February 2018
    Always difficult for a price point competitor to come in lower and say yeah but it's brand new when you could buy a used big 3 for same coin. I'd take the used big 3 all day and twice on Sunday whether 3-event or wake boat.
    Dave Ross--die cancer die
  • OSUwaterskierOSUwaterskier Posts: 73 Baller
    @6balls just to clarify, say you could get in a new 196 hull with a pcm, ZO, and a 5 year warranty for $35k. You would prefer a modern big 3 with 800+ hours (seems to be average on SIA at that price point)?

    I am not sure where I would fall. This would be an interesting topic for a voting thread.
  • OSUwaterskierOSUwaterskier Posts: 73 Baller
    Not saying I have any idea that it could be done for $35k, but if heydey can make a wake boat for $40k, surely you could make a bare bones direct drive for $35k?
  • AdamCordAdamCord Posts: 761 Open or 55K Rated Skier



    Maybe ski boats are niche enough that they could be sold direct to customers and avoid dealers. I'd pay $30k for a brand new bare bones ski boat all day.
    OSUwaterskierswc5150LZywicki1chris_logan
  • swc5150swc5150 Posts: 2,307 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Good point @AdamCord Looking at the Carbon Pro specifically, I don't a single dealer stocked one, so the need for a dealer to be the middleman I'd consider to be unnecessary. The Centurion sales guy at our tiny local boat show a couple years back wasn't even aware the CP existed for goodness sake.
    Scott Calderwood
    AdamCord
  • OSUwaterskierOSUwaterskier Posts: 73 Baller
    Totally agree @AdamCord. Could see a simplified online tesla model working great for the niche ski boat group.
    AdamCord
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 3,925 Mega Baller
    @oldjeep - technically yes it is a surfable boat and they're trying like heck to "sell" people on the concept of an affordable surf boat. BUT - the demographic for a surf boat isn't 3-4 people crammed in a little boat wedge, people want to own the bigger boats.

    Heyday knows it and has a larger boat the WT-Surf which has a 17 person capacity and 25' but it jumps to 55K MSRP.

    The trouble is - does this look like they are having a good time?


  • swc5150swc5150 Posts: 2,307 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    They look board, and borderline sleeping, even behind the big barges
    Scott Calderwood
  • HortonHorton Posts: 28,321 Administrator
    I'll bet any of you a good bottle of Scotch that HeyDay never produces a ski boat. When John Dorton owned the company they actually had planned on making a ski boat but I just cannot imagine the economic justification for doing it now.

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  • 6balls6balls Posts: 5,214 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @OSUwaterskier to clarify I would not buy an off-brand boat new vs. a big 3 used at the same price point. For me this means I'd buy a used big 3 over a new Moomba, a new Gekko, and certainly a new Heyday.

    When last i checked a 196 would be a used big 3...so I'm not sure what you are asking there.

    If Heyday produced a new 3-event boat for a theoretcal $35K I wouldn't buy it...I'd buy a used, but well-kept big 3 product instead at the same price point going back far enough in the lineage to do so. Boats depreciate pretty fast initially, and some people hardly use them only to sell so with patience there are bargains out there.

    But hey, that's just me I'm sure others feel otherwise.
    Dave Ross--die cancer die
  • h2onhkh2onhk Posts: 286 Solid Baller
    @swc5150 the only thing more boring that surfing is watching surfing
    swc5150escmanaze
  • ski6jonesski6jones Posts: 1,013 Mega Baller
    Don't want to hurt anyones feelings but that boat is hideous.
    Carl Addington, Lakes of Katy, Texas
    Lovellswc5150thager
  • swc5150swc5150 Posts: 2,307 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Reading the surf boat wake reviews on what used to boat brand enthusiast sites is actually funny. Amazing what junk they'll stick in the trunk for the perfect "push". The wake is almost as important as the size amps and Wetsounds dangling from the jungle gym.
    Scott Calderwood
  • Monkstr6100Monkstr6100 Posts: 108 Baller
    I honestly really hope it takes off. We need more small companies to offer lower priced boats to challenge the "big 3" as keeps getting mentioned. These new boat prices are crazy!
    THE FAMILY THAT PLAYS TOGETHER, STAYS TOGETHER! TEAM JACHOWICZ
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,935 Infinite Pandas
    I went wake surfing behind one of the elite surf boats (a Centurion) with some serious and talented wake surfers. It was fun being that close to be able to enjoy the hot Russian girl's run. But really there wasn't enough energy to do that much radical stuff (like what I see in ocean surfing). Nobody did flips or 360s. It was way more fun than tubing but one set satiated me. It was really hard to trick behind - too big (and I like wakeboard wakes). Can't see spending 150k or even 35k for that. We took a cheap Bayliner across the lake to see the seaplane fly in.

    I understand the rush from slalom and jump. I love the artistry of tricks (and wakeboarding). Barefooting is cool. Kneeboarding rocks, especially for kids. All this can happen behind a tournament boat. Which my Ranger can (barely) tow. I don't get these monster boats - especially at ridiculous prices.

    I'm with @ski6jones . It doesn't quite work for me. If it was a great slalom tug with a nice trick wake, I'd love it. I'll buy @Horton scotch if that will help it happen.

    Eric
    dchristman
  • Dacon62Dacon62 Posts: 715 Crazy Baller
    edited February 2018
    Hope someone makes a go of it but have seen them up close and the lines and look do not scream...got to have that! You have to be excited about something you’re laying down a lot of cash on and if you’re not excited about it you just won’t part with your money even if it is bargain priced.
    You can build a good looking or odd looking boat for the same price. Hey, there has been considerable effort made but I just don’t know if the execution rings true with buyers. Time will tell.
  • ALPJrALPJr Posts: 1,987 Mega Baller
    Will Gekko build one to order?
  • oldjeepoldjeep Posts: 3,437 Mega Baller
    edited February 2018
    @ALPJr the gekko gts 20 is/was a good example of why this conversation is silly.
    Itty bitty closed bow, check
    Zero off option, check
    Under 35k new, check
    And how many of the folks in this thread own one?
    Chuck P
    Not a mechanic but I play one at home
    swc51506ballsDWeleeski
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