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HRT Type Rear Binding - Thoughts ?

Stevie BoyStevie Boy Posts: 2,047 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
I have used a RTP like forever, did try double boots but didn't like it for various reasons or though I do like the idea of your rear foot ending up in the same place every time you ski.
With this in mind I have been considering the HRT type of rear binding, a couple of peopleI know didn't like it, does anybody have any views on it, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of people on them.
My other concern is that I know my back foot does move from side to side during the turning phase , I am thinking that the HRT would prevent this movement is this a good thing or a bad thing ?

When The Going Gets Tough, Get Stoked !



  • dvskierdvskier Posts: 537 Crazy Baller
    I use a Radar HRTP along with. Radar Profile front boot. It's a very comfortable setup and I release when necessary. The HRTP allows for proper ankle flex and gives great support. I used double boots for over 30 years and the switch was pretty easy.
  • dhofertdhofert Posts: 216 Baller
    I just switched from a vector boot and HRT to double vectors this last weekend. I liked the HRT at first because it did keep my rear foot in place better than the rtp. Just over a year and i think it has broke in enough that it is allowing my foot to move more than i would like.

    The main reason i went with the HRT over double boot in the forst place is because i was still learning deepwater starts and just couldnt do it consistently in the boots.

    I really have no complaints about the HRT as it did what i wanted and always releases when necessary.

  • GloersenGloersen Posts: 930 Crazy Baller
    imo - The HRT is decent but probably less “secure” than a RTP. The laces need to be super snug to get the same feeling of pressure securing the ball of the rear foot atop the ski. When the heel lifts a bit (and it can easily in the HRT) it feels like there’s impediment to getting it back flat on the ski; this may get in one’s head (does mine coming into the buoy). In general, it just feels less stable; an R-style Reflex is much better for what you seek.

    If the RTP was favorable, stick with it but perhaps add a heel cup. Pictured is an old Wiley heel cup trimmed down a bit. The rubber is mounted to a G-10 plate (Reflex?, can’t recall). There are plenty of holes, didn’t even need to drill new ones to mount both the heel and loop brackets. Foot stays afixed fore and aft (assuming it fits snugly) and is firmly planted atop the ski through the forefoot as desired. When heel lift occurs it is not an issue due to the height of the rear cup and still some slight lateral heel movement is permitted.

    Stevie Boy
  • Stevie BoyStevie Boy Posts: 2,047 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited May 2018
    @Gloersen thankyou I like that idea, I do have a Maherajah heel cup doesn,t come as high as your arrangement which looks better.

    When The Going Gets Tough, Get Stoked !

  • AndreAndre Posts: 1,241 Mega Baller
    @Stevie Boy
    You start both feet in don't you? Because you can't kick your foot in i read...
  • OldboyIIOldboyII Posts: 586 Solid Baller
    @Gloersen thanks! You reminded about my experiments with heel cup. Will go to find it in the garage ))

  • Stevie BoyStevie Boy Posts: 2,047 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Andre Yes I start Both Feet in mainly because when competing there were some short lakes, so not much time to get the foot in, but I could never kick my back foot in like some, wide feet for the size, I find that my foot doesn't always end up in the same place, never used to be much of a problem because, if I could feel the front binding it was all good, but now I prefer a gap between my rear foot and front binding, water temperature can play a part.
    I suppose the only other thing is to put some kind of stop as a reference point as long as it doesn't feel strange.

    When The Going Gets Tough, Get Stoked !

  • WoodySkierWoodySkier Posts: 102 Baller
    I tried to go from RTP to the HRTP last year and didn’t like it. I’ve never run double boots so it was uncomfortable for me and I didn’t like my back foot locked in like that. I have a size 9 foot that’s pretty wide and I kicked into it no problem at all. Everyone has their preference so it might be great for someone else.
  • kreipekreipe Posts: 17 Baller
    I completely agree with @dvskier. I had the same situation and timing on use of double boot, and went to same combination of Profile and HRTP back binding. Seems to release when it needs to, both feet are comfortable.

    My back heel has always lifted, which resulted in premature wear on the back binding (or intense blisters on back of heel!)

    Used the new combination all last year very happy with it, finally feel that variability of back foot placement in binding is no longer an issue.

    Side benefit is that this combination is somewhat less expensive than dual boot!
  • ballsohardballsohard Posts: 257 Solid Baller
    I look forward to trying the Radar HRT
  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 5,324 Mega Baller
    Anyone else move from rear boot to the HRT? Looking to try one but when I tried to go to a RTP about 10 years ago it did not work. I like the BOA system
    Shut up and ski
  • ScottScottScottScott Posts: 867 Crazy Baller
    My HRT is spose to show up in the mail today.... not one with the boa, but I'm not sure how big of a deal that will be for the rear, especially coming from an RTP. Gunna look striking behind my new vapor though.....
  • keithh2oskierkeithh2oskier Posts: 528 Crazy Baller
    Has anyone tried the difference between an HRT and the Reflex R style. My old animal cramps my foot after 4 passes. I am debating if I want to try and find a replacement full boot rear or give one of these style rear bindings a try. I am on a Reflex front.
  • ballsohardballsohard Posts: 257 Solid Baller
    The HRT by Radar is super awesome!
  • scorban2scorban2 Posts: 92 Baller
    I went from an rtp to an hrt late last year. I was on the fence about it after taking 3-4 sets on it last year, but have really come to love it as this year progressed. Keeps your foot from sliding, but still gives you plenty of ankle flexibility to help get weight forward.
  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 5,324 Mega Baller
    I think I am going to try one. I have a Wiley back there now and it will probably decrease the ski weight by 2 lbs
    Shut up and ski
  • oldjeepoldjeep Posts: 3,435 Mega Baller
    I went from rtp to hrt this year and love it. Easy to kick into and solves the issue i have with sliding my heel out sideways
    Chuck P
    Not a mechanic but I play one at home
  • Kwoody51Kwoody51 Posts: 57 Baller
    I went from double d3 t factors to a HRT with the BOA laces and am very happy!

    I didn’t like the rear t factor as it would rub my ankle due to the foward flex of my ankle/ leg. No issues with the HRT.

    I also think the the move to the HRT has reduced my bad habit of stomping down with my back leg. Noticed by not having a soar quad muscle in my back leg. This also could be due to me being aware of this habit and trying to do it less :)

    While I haven’t noticed it I do totally follow the issue of heal lifting and maybe not resetting properly. If you lift your rear heal this might be an issue as the rear of the HRT is pretty straight up and down so if you go over the top of the back I don’t think your foot will just drop back in easily.
  • ScottScottScottScott Posts: 867 Crazy Baller
    1st time out with my hrt last night was a disaster!!!! Never skied that bad before. We'll stick with it a little while and hopefully get used to it.
  • dvskierdvskier Posts: 537 Crazy Baller
    I switched 2 years ago and the HRTP feels great! Would never go back.
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 3,869 Mega Baller
    @oldjeep did you get the larger size? Mine i use fully loose but would have trouble kicking into. More of a wiggle.

    @keithh2oskier i made my own r style rear out of a FM boot I had around. I might revisit it if/when my hrt wears out. What I preferred about it was how smooth the heel moved up and down as the liner moved with my foot. What I disliked was all the moving peices. Even when I used double boots once my liners dried I put them into the shells and was ready to go ski next time. The cut down boot i was always swimming for my liner.
  • oldjeepoldjeep Posts: 3,435 Mega Baller
    edited August 2018
    @BraceMaker - no I have the standard size and a size 10-10.5 foot. No issue at all just sticking my foot into it. (but im also capable of slalom on a vapor behind a v-drive, so i might be special) :dizzy:

    Chuck P
    Not a mechanic but I play one at home
  • Kwoody51Kwoody51 Posts: 57 Baller
    I have a 11.5 foot and use the regular size. I don’t think I could kick into it but putting on at the platform is super easy.
  • MayhemMayhem Posts: 13 Baller
    I went from double boot to hrt after skiing the end of last year with the radar rear rubber problem detailed on another thread. I liked the heal lift. It's been a easy switch.
  • ScottScottScottScott Posts: 867 Crazy Baller
    @Mayhem Thats pretty much my exact settup. I think I'll like it once I get used to it. Coming from a RTP its certainly a different feel that is causing me to favor that rear foot, but hopefully a couple more sets and I'll be ok.
  • ScottScottScottScott Posts: 867 Crazy Baller
    After an abysmal 1st day out with the HRT I cut down a little of the padding at the toe and pushed it one more hole forward, in addition to loosening it a little so my foot slid a little farther forward. Today had as good of a set I have had in recent memory.
  • sunnydaysmnsunnydaysmn Posts: 40 Baller
    The HRT is pretty much all I use now coming from RTP. I start with 1 foot in and can get the back foot in on the fly.. it is easier on your back as compared to double boots out of the water plus you can get more lateral leverage with the HRT compared to RTP ..
  • SivotaSivota Posts: 117 Baller
    @MS sorry, I am a bit slow on the uptake here - I didn't go from a rear boot, but from an R style. I had the lace HRT first and now the Boa.
    I do like the laced version, but the Boa is a distinct improvement - I like the Boa closure, its ease of use and adjustability - and the 2019 boot is an improvement too. It is extremely comfortable, provides good support and releases very well:

    Good luck and earn yourself an IPA.
  • ScottScottScottScott Posts: 867 Crazy Baller
    Is this the "show us your Vapor/HRT setup" thread....ha.

    Shown here with the optional Mastercraft Prostar fitted with ski racks.

    I cut a good 1/2 inch out of the foam in the front so I could push closer to the front boot as I felt my rear foot was too far back from the front boot previously.
  • DavidNDavidN Posts: 297 Crazy Baller
    @Sivota - So the BOA HRT is finally available on the aluminum plate? That’s great news!
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