Overton's orange buoys

lkblkb Posts: 576 Baller
edited July 2010 in Other Stuff
The set I bought last year faded out in a month. The previous set lasted well over a year. Does anybody know if they are better this year? I would just buy polyforms but I don't like the red color.
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  • Ed_ObermeierEd_Obermeier Posts: 1,339 Crazy Baller
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    I've tried for years to find out who makes Overtons orange buoys.  I have a few (very few) connections around the watersports biz and no one I know is able to find out who makes them, and plenty of us have tried.  Of course they do all come from the Far East.
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    I'll be restocking buoys from PolyForm soon, I intend to discuss with them why the hell we can't get them in orange instead of red when I put in my order.  If I get any useful info I'll post it.
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    Ed
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    Ed Obermeier - owner, EZ-Slalom Course Systems
    www.ez-slalom.com
  • Bud ManBud Man Posts: 254
    edited July 2010
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    <font face="Times New Roman" size="3" color="#000000">Did the water cover your buoys for a day? I and some one else at anouther lake compared notes and realized if the water level cane up and the buoy spent a day under water, they would fade like crazy after that. I had other Overton’s buoys that turned to goo. If your leg hit them rounding a turn, the goo would get on your hair and leg and pretty much not wash off. You had to use solvent. When I first put in my red Polyforms, I really missed the orange, but I got used to the red. Saying that, I would prefer orange though. The red have been in my new lake for ten months now and look great.</font>
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  • A_BA_B Posts: 4,053 Mega Baller
    Overtone grommets don't look the same anymore. Look like everyone elses now.
    The solid grommets are the best.
  • lkblkb Posts: 576 Baller
    Mine we never covered with water. They were what I would refer to as junk. Ed, man would that ever be awesome if you could get polyform clued in on the color issue.
  • Ed_ObermeierEd_Obermeier Posts: 1,339 Crazy Baller
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    I'l work on it for whatever it may be worth.  Maybe they just don't realize that the market prefers the orange.
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    I've seen some of the more recent model Overtons buoys; I'm of the opinion they've changed suppliers/manufacturers and gone cheaper, they're not the same buoys as before IMO.  They kinda look like the old Taylor Made buoys Ski Limited had all the problems with a few years ago before the Big Conglomerate bought them out.  Some non-skier corporate bean counter probably figured they could save a few cents and pump up the margin a bit.
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    Ed 
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    Ed Obermeier - owner, EZ-Slalom Course Systems
    www.ez-slalom.com
  • lkblkb Posts: 576 Baller
    Ed, do you have a set of polyforms in stock now? I think I'm going to go with them regardless of the color issue.
  • Ed_ObermeierEd_Obermeier Posts: 1,339 Crazy Baller
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    Yeah, got plenty of them.  I was just stating that I'll need to restock in the not too distant future as stock is getting to that point.  Give me a call 800-216-4461.
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    Thanks, Ed
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    Ed Obermeier - owner, EZ-Slalom Course Systems
    www.ez-slalom.com
  • Ed_ObermeierEd_Obermeier Posts: 1,339 Crazy Baller
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    Spoke with the head guy at PolyForm this morning and asked about getting orange rather than red buoys.  He said their issue would be either having to stock another color or replace the red with the orange, they really don't want to have to purchase/stock both colors but that he was open to giving it consideration.  They buy only once a year in LARGE quantity so they'd probably switch entirely to orange if they were to make a switch.  He kind of wanted some measurable idea how that would be received by the skiing (purchasing) public, only being able to get orange and not the red, before considering making the switch.  If they did switch it would probably be mid 2011 before the orange could be made available due to ordering lead time, having to have prototypes made and distributed for feedback before they commit to an order, etc.  If it gets to that point I'll get some of the first prototypes.
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    That's the latest I have on it.  I believe that if PolyForm can be convinced that the buoy purchasing public would prefer the orange, or at least not mind the switch from red, that they'd do it.  I'll start a poll here as soon as I figure out how to do it so we can get some numbers and feedback I can pass along to them.  Stay tuned.
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    Ed
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    Ed Obermeier - owner, EZ-Slalom Course Systems
    www.ez-slalom.com
  • clemsondaveclemsondave Posts: 368 Baller
    ORANGE! 10-20 per year for us
    Dave Satterfield - Richmond Water Ski Club
  • skinutskinut Posts: 407 Baller
    Order orange.  You can always paint the orange a nice shade of red!
  • MarcoMarco Posts: 1,407 Crazy Baller
    edited August 2010
    As long as the color holds, count me in for a new set (orange) every season!
  • skibugskibug Posts: 2,027
    Same here, as long as the color is good for a season, we would be in for 12 or so.  6 turn balls, 4 gates, 2 spares
    Bob Grizzi
  • Chuck_DickeyChuck_Dickey Posts: 1,459 Crazy Baller
    Wait a minute, I though we were all suppose to buy orange Bubble Buoys!
  • lkblkb Posts: 576 Baller
    No bubble buoys for me. I would gladly fill some orange polyforms with water instead. I'm down for 10/yr.
  • Old MS AccoutOld MS Accout Posts: 2,114 Baller
    Count me in for 10 orange per year.
  • DWDW Posts: 1,971 Mega Baller
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    Orange
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  • blockblock Posts: 171 Baller
    I am in for 10 each year.
    John Seiler
  • A_BA_B Posts: 4,053 Mega Baller
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    We would do 10-12.
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  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 2,321 Crazy Baller
    <h1><font face="andale mono,times" size="3">I say orange.</font></h1>
    Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge
  • skidawgskidawg Posts: 3,260 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    Orange
    Mr. Mom is Horton's favorite movie!
  • Bud ManBud Man Posts: 254
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    Yes to Orange Polyform.
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    Count me in.
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    I also add water to all ten.
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  • Ed_ObermeierEd_Obermeier Posts: 1,339 Crazy Baller
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    Marco wrote"<em><strong>As long as the color holds</strong>, count me in for a new set (orange) every season!"</em>
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    My guess is that they would hold up as well as the current issue PolyForms do, probably no better but likely (hopefully) no worse.  Once they switch, assuming that I can convince them to (I'm working on it guys!) they will be what they will be.  And once the current stock is gone red will no longer be available.
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    Still trying to figure out how to post a poll...
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    Ed  
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    Ed Obermeier - owner, EZ-Slalom Course Systems
    www.ez-slalom.com
  • MarcoMarco Posts: 1,407 Crazy Baller
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    We have green polyform 55's that have lasted 4 years.  If the orange lasts for only 1 year that would be 50 weeks longer than the Overton's buoys we put in this year.  They got so faded after a few weeks, they are hard to see in the slightest amount of glare.  I tried painting them but the paint faded just as fast.
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    Thanks for working on this Ed!
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  • lkblkb Posts: 576 Baller
    Ed, thanks for your efforts on this. On a side note, for all of you who don't already know Ed is a great guy to do business with. I highly recommend him if you need course supplies or a whole course for that matter.
  • PJPJ Posts: 99 Baller
    let's not have any snide remarks about waxing balls or whatever. but, isn't it supposed to help with fading if you put some wax on the buoys?
    MS's chief boat driver
  • Ed_JohnsonEd_Johnson Posts: 2,049
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    I have had pretty good success with painting mine with upside-down bright orange marking paint and then a coat of urethane spar varnish, clear gloss.....ED
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    PS: Will be going to Goode Buoys after Labor Day but will still need orange Gate Buoys, so count me in for several.
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    Loving the new ZO Rev. S Plus Mode C3+
  • jdarwinjdarwin Posts: 1,379 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
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    Painting and varnishing buoys?  Really?  You can replace an entire course for $50.  Twice a year - that's $100.  Amortized out over several members and its not even beer money.  In the environment of $1500 skis and $50,000 boats, I can't see where all the effort is necessary.  And the mess caused w/ painting buoys is hardly worth the effort or risk of getting paint on your boat/clothes.  I did it once - never again.
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    But, the Polyforms I buy from Ed do last longer than any other.  We use two sets per year.  As stated, that's $100.  With 10 members, it equate to $10 per person.
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    Joe Darwin
  • MarcoMarco Posts: 1,407 Crazy Baller
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    The test buoys I painted were done in my garage.  The problem with the new Overtons buoys is they were completly faded within a month, so even with our abrieviated Colorado season, we would need to change them 6 times if we wanted them to stay bright.
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    Anyone heard any feedback how the Goode buoys hold up, both structurally and color wise?
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  • GAJ0004GAJ0004 Posts: 1,082 Baller
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    I have had good luck with the Overton's buoys. The color fades after about a season, but structurally they hold up pretty well. Our course is on a residential private lake in PA, so we have to replace buoys that get cut loose. I usually get two seasons out of them before I replace them. I found some old red Ski Limited Buoys in my garage.
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    Gary Janzig Streetsboro Ohio, skis at Lake Latonka, Mercer Pennsylvania slalom,trick,kneeboard,barefoot
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,059 Mega Baller
    structurally they don't hold up, the Western Regionals killed 8 of them I believe, 8 @ $39 = way too much !
    BallOfSpray Pacific Northwest Vice President of Event Management, aka "Zappy"
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