New Nautique does not have a tower option?

escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 683 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
I haven't seen one. Does anybody know if that is officially the case? It seems to make sense - if you don't offer an open bow, then you've already lost all appeal to the public water family guy anyway. It seems to be obvious that the public water family guy is not the guy they had in mind when designing this boat. I just wanted to see if anybody has heard or knows anything official or certain 100%.
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  • escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 683 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    It's really too bad because with the ballast in it, this boat would have the beginnings to make a really good crossover boat for guys like me who like to ride sideways every now and then.

    Isn't there some rule stating that you can't use ballast for trick or something like that? Assuming I'm correct in understanding that, I've always felt like that rule has really been an impediment to manufacturers making really good ski-first crossover boats. Hopefully, Nautique doing this will be a great first step toward getting rid of any rule like that which may exist.
  • skierjpskierjp Posts: 715 Crazy Baller
    I think you should be looking at the GS20. Very similar boats when you really look at them.
  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 2,323 Crazy Baller
    3. If equipped, the ballast system starting level may be chosen by the skier (0%, 25%, 50%, 75%, or 100%). The skier may select +/- 50% for his second pass based on his first pass selection. The LOC along with the CJ may set a maximum upper ballast level. If so, the skier may not exceed that limit when selecting a second pass change.
    This maximum can be 0 if the LOC feels it may damage shorelines, etc. So the doesn't explicitly deny use of ballast.
    Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge
    escmanaze
  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 2,323 Crazy Baller
    OH, a triple! The new Nautique is designed (unfortunately by engineers not skiers or drivers) to be a 3 event boat only. That's just what it is.
    Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge
    Horton
  • ScottScottScottScott Posts: 785 Crazy Baller
    There has been several comments about crossover boats like the GS20 and their slalom capabilities. For a slalom 1st skier they just really arean't great options. Someone's comments recently regarding the balast on the new Nautique suggested that 100% was a little more than needed for trick, but might be pretty good for wakeboard. For a slalom 1st skier, that also likes to get the family out for a day on the lake, seems like this would be the best option out there if you could put a tower on.
    escmanazejimski
  • skierjpskierjp Posts: 715 Crazy Baller
    Lots of skiers and drivers were involved with the development of the Ski Nautique.
  • bigskieridahobigskieridaho Posts: 932 Crazy Baller
    Ha ha @escmanaze Lucky you. Once again tower haters and people like you and I need them. Just buy a MC or Malibu and you will be good. They can call them monkey bars, roll cages etc..... or @twhisper can just do pull ups on it when he gets in to drive you like mine.
    escmanazeoldjeepscotchipman
  • escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 683 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @skierjp No, the GS20 is definitely not what I'm after. It's over 1500 pounds heavier and is a v-drive. It is definitely not what I would refer to as a "ski-first" crossover. What I mean when I say ski-first crossover is that right off the bat, at the heart of it, we start with the best ski boat/hull the manufacturer can currently build. THEN, after we have started with that as a basis, then we throw some accessories and stuff at it that make it at least a little bit better for riding sideways understanding the significant limitations involved when starting with a ski boat platform.

    The first ever really good example, in my opinion of a ski-first crossover was the air 196 from 2002. It was on the TSC1 hull, but they made it open bow version and put a tower on it. Next came the X7 from Mastercraft. Open bow - walk through even - with a tower, and they even put some ballast in it. If only the 197 hull had been a little softer, smaller wake for us long line slow speed guys, that one really would have been a home run. The Malibu TXi then came with the walk through open bow, tower option, and instead of ballast they did the wedge - another great offering - probably the best "ski-first crossover" ever in my opinion. The 200 had options for open bow and a tower, but no ballast, kind of like the current prostar, and now the new SN has ballast, but no tower or open bow.

    I understand that guys like me looking for a ski-first crossover probably make up a very small market, so I totally understand when the manufacturer doesn't give us the nod - I'm just looking to make 100% certain that this is the case with this new boat.
  • LoopSkiLoopSki Posts: 488 Crazy Baller
    Sounds like the Malibu txi with wedge is what you need
    UWSkierscotchipman
  • skierjpskierjp Posts: 715 Crazy Baller
    I’m not sure I would rule out the tower option for the new Ski Nautique! Give them a while. I would not hold your breath on the open bow version.
    escmanaze
  • oldjeepoldjeep Posts: 3,378 Mega Baller
    Id once again suggest that people actually
    1) ski a crossover - they are all v drives, an sslxi is not a crossover
    2) if you cant ski behind one, evaluate why you are unable to do so and fix it.

    Let the dislikes begin
    Chuck P
    Not a mechanic but I play one at home
  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 1,181 Crazy Baller
    @oldjeep at one point last year I was surfing with a buddy he has a MC crossover boat, offered to pull me a slalom set, looked back at the wake and declined. Not sure how a GS would ski, but it can’t be good I don’t care what Nautique/ Malibu/ MC say
    jimski
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 3,510 Mega Baller
    V drive toasts the ski wakes. But there are boats like the 209 dd and x9 dd that are passable if you ski 28 off 28 mph++
  • j2nhj2nh Posts: 63 Baller
    "New Nautique does not have a tower option?"

    Thank God!
    AndreBlueSkithagerChunkydskiinxs
  • thagerthager Posts: 4,445 Mega Baller
    That alone makes it worth a bazillion bucks!
    Stir vigorously then leave!
    Andreskierjp
  • UWSkierUWSkier Posts: 1,106 Mega Baller
    BI still makes the Fly-Hi... And it doesn't ruin the looks of your boat.
    escmanazeh2onhk
  • dbutcherdbutcher Posts: 305 Solid Baller
    Not sure you can fasten a tower to carbon.
  • escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 683 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @bigskieridaho FWIW, I'm guessing that the panda award was probably primarily directed at the rule change paragraph about ballast more than the rest of it. Just a guess though, and regardless, yes, there is plenty of hate to go around for ski boat towers, and I kind of understand the perspective on that too even though I certainly don't share the sentiment. If I only skied a private lake and I only skied, or even something kinda close to that scenario, I would think "skiers" who wanted towers and open bows to be crazy lunatics as well.
  • escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 683 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited August 2018
    @LoopSki you might be correct. If and when I finally get the money saved up to move to a newer boat, it will be a tough choice between the txi with wedge and tower and the prostar. The prostar still have open bow option and a tower, and at my long lines and slow speeds has a friendlier wake as well. The TXi will crossover better and be less expensive. I will just have to look at it and see where my family is when I get to that point. The 200 will be in play as well as it can also get open bow and tower, but so far, I haven't skied very well behind the one 200 I've had the chance to ski. Hopefully I'll get to ski a few more before the time arrives to see if maybe they just had their hydrogate adjusted poorly or something.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,211 Administrator
    @escmanaze
    You are awarded the triple Panda because the new Nautique is so overly three event-oriented. It's like asking for monster truck tires on a Ferrari.

    Now I am sure just to prove me wrong somebody at Nautique will develop a tower.

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  • escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 683 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Ha Ha Ha!!!! Well just promise me one thing. When they do release a tower for it, please promise me you won't rescind my award. It's hard to put into words just how prestigious I feel with those 6 stars next to my name. This must be what it feels like to belong to a country club. :smile: :smile: :wink: :blush:
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  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 2,632 Mega Baller
    I got lightning in a bottle too!
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


    jimski
  • escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 683 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited August 2018
    Ha ha ha!!! Good call @Jody_Seal . Apparently Horton hasn't seen this kid up in Park City with his Lambo.

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  • thagerthager Posts: 4,445 Mega Baller
    Fugly! I saw a corvette in Corpus with the monster truck look back in the 80s. Hideous!!!!
    Stir vigorously then leave!
  • KillerKiller Posts: 374 ★★★★Quad Panda Award Recipient ★★★★
    Must be the same reason they don't have an OB...
  • KRoundyKRoundy Posts: 261 Solid Baller
    The triple panda!!! So happy I got to see one in the wild.
  • dvskierdvskier Posts: 461 Crazy Baller
    No surf gate, 3,000 lb ballast, no 50 mega watt sound system. Must be made for skiers! Maybe a Bayliner deck boat for the whiners. Wow you can take 29 passengers with the Bayliner.
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