Law passed in Wisconsin eliminating need for spotter

JbossJboss Posts: 71 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
I feel like I just hit the jackpot! (and a heads-up to you other Wisconsin-ites) I was just made aware today that Wisconsin passed a law this past year eliminating the requirement for a spotter when skiing. This is HUGE for me because it's me and my wife at our lake house 90% of the time. I've always had to scramble for a spotter. Not anymore!


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  • skiinxsskiinxs Posts: 676 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited March 2019
    Great news! Wisconsin is now on the list for posible vacation destinations.
    eleeski
  • JbossJboss Posts: 71 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited March 2019
    @skiinxs LOL. Good to hear!

    Hey, you have great taste in colors. Looks somewhat familiar.
  • JetsetrJetsetr Posts: 496 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    IDK- we ski a small lake and the driver is plenty busy watching where they are going all the time...
    I guess if you’re just in the course that would be one thing, but free skiing a small lake in traffic is a different animal.
    JMHO....
    PatMRednucleusShererSkier
  • JbossJboss Posts: 71 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Jetsetr You are spot-on. In our case, we have a 540 acre lake that is totally empty most days. Nearly every time I go out, my wife will not have a single other boat to contend with. On a "busy" day, there may be a few.
  • ScottScottScottScott Posts: 1,256 Mega Baller
    edited March 2019
    Its often just me and my girlfriend out skiing. My biggest consern is in the event of an injury whether she'll be able to drag my unconscious, or broken, body up onto the swim platform by herself..... but, it can be tough enough to coordinate schedules with one ski partner, much less 2.
    RednucleusKeith_Menard
  • Orlando76Orlando76 Posts: 1,292 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    I’m a BIG safety guy but requiring a spotter is a rather dumb idea. Glad a burden has been lifted for you cheese heads.
    Tryathlete
  • JetsetrJetsetr Posts: 496 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited March 2019
    @Jboss yup...we ski a 85 acre lake and even with a few other active boats, fishermen, paddle boards the driver is busy enough...BUT the caveat again is depends on traffic and a host of other variables.
    We don’t even TRY to ski on weekends, only during the week, and a lot of times we have the lake to ourselves. I would be ok with that, or when we drop the course...
    Which lake you on? We ski Lily Lake in Kenosha county.
  • igkyaigkya Posts: 786 Crazy Baller
    Reminds me of a time when I lived in PA. and a spotter was required. The Corp. of Engineers, that policed the lake, docked their boat right next to mine. After an evening of skiing (just me and the wife), we were pulling into the dock just as the Corp was about to leave, and they asked how the skiing was... had to tell them we just joy riding. I don't think they believed me.
  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,765 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @jetsetr @jboss the new law eliminates the requirement for a spotter, common sense should decide whether YOU feel you need one or not. Traffic, lake size, other obstacles all play into that decision.

    As far as paying attention to the driving vs the skier, I'd say pay 98% of your visual attention to the lake in front of you (with a spotter or not). And it's rare that a driver can't "feel" the skier behind the boat. if the skier falls or stops loading behind the boat, a quick glance into the mirror will let the driver know if the skier is still on the line. Obviously that makes coaching more difficult but if you're skilled enough to drive and coach (and do a good job of both), I also bet you're cognizant of boat traffic and busy lakes, etc.

    In MI we always had "no observer" permits and skied like that for 25-30 years. Never had a problem but certainly you have to prioritize what you need to do in the boat without an observer. The only real challenge was trick practice doing toe turns. That requires basically full-time attention on the skier. As a skier, when practicing toe turns, you tended to watch the water like you were driving and maintain good eye contact with the driver thru the mirror. If it looked like boat traffic was going to be a problem, grab the rope and point so the boat driver knew what was happening. Also tend to error on the safe side.
    Keith Lindemulder
    AWSA Chairman of the Board

    Jetsetr
  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,765 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Interestingly the law itself says that a local governmental unit can prohibit skiing without an observer on a particular lake if the lake has a "water safety patrol unit" operating at least 1500 hours a year. Guess that eliminates the big, popular lakes in many cases. Also specifically says that no observer is needed for waterski tournaments as long as there is adequate light.

    One surprising thing is they define waterskiing, aquaplaning or similar which I assume would include tubing, etc. Either way it seems like a mostly sensible law.

    Here's the text of all of Wisconsin's boating laws - https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/30/V/69/1/a The important stuff starts in paragraph 30.69 and continues in 30.71 & 30.79
    Keith Lindemulder
    AWSA Chairman of the Board

  • Robbo5252Robbo5252 Posts: 38 Baller
    Having been in a boat when someone broke their leg skiing, I would never be without a spotter on the water. We ski on a river so granted it is slightly different to a small lake.

    In Aus, kids can be a spotter from Age 12 once they pass the boat license test, but I am hesitant to go out with 1 adult & a child because if something was to happen they are not going to be much help.

    Cheers

    Robbo
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  • JbossJboss Posts: 71 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Jetsetr We're on Lost Lake in St. Germain. It's an amazing place.
    @klindy Keith - Thanks for all the info. This is great. This law is most certainly going to result in a major increase in my ski time this summer. I'm so pumped.
    Kimbymon
  • SethroSethro Posts: 343 Crazy Baller
    It's pretty rare that I can't find a spotter, but it would sure be nice to not have to worry about it here in Illinois. Water patrol isn't an issue, but I don't like the image purposefully breaking laws portrays. Our law would have to start with "in counties with a population smaller than 5 million" like so many of our other laws read to separate Chicago. Or in this case, in counties bordering counties with populations greater than 5 million as I'm sure there isn't a whole bunch of waterskiing in Cook County itself.
  • BrennanKMNBrennanKMN Posts: 562 Crazy Baller
    Have a lot of you gotten in trouble for this?
    I guess if I was on a big name lake I'd follow the rules more closely, but if I am at a 'cabin' spot or a small ski site I don't think that law would have ever stopped me from skiing.
  • jhughesjhughes Posts: 1,148 Mega Baller
    We have a place in Eagle River so this is key for us.
  • JetsetrJetsetr Posts: 496 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Jboss Know where that lake is...we sled up that way quite a bit...been a awesome season for winter sports this year..
  • ZmanZman Posts: 1,903 Mega Baller
    edited March 2019
    So, now you cheeseheads don't need your blow up dolls or crash dummies in the passenger seat anymore? Cool.
    The_MS
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 6,066 Mega Baller
    We ski without spotters regularly even though it is against the rules. There are rarely patrols on our lake and it is generally early morning or midweek when there is little to no competing boat traffic. In the last 15 years only once has one of our crowd been caught and it was a holiday weekend when he shouldn’t have been skiing without a spotter.

    I do drive my son doing toes without a spotter or as the release person when my wife is in the boat. I use a Masterline Robbins release and put an extra section of rope and hold it with my foot. If he falls I can’t possibly hold him in.
    Mark Shaffer
  • oldjeepoldjeep Posts: 3,889 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Nice, now my wife and I will be legal when skiing at my folks place.
    Chuck P
    Not a mechanic but I play one at home
  • swc5150swc5150 Posts: 2,564 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    This law was in effect last summer fwiw. Very awesome for us. My brother and I were pinched several times over the years. Lol and my good buddy here in Eau Claire did have an old JC Penny manniquin bungied to his obvserver seat, so yes that’s a real thing here. He was actually the guy that spearheaded getting this law rolling with Terry Molton.
    Scott Calderwood
  • teammalibuteammalibu Posts: 1,118 Mega Baller
    We used to use a mannequin back in the day in S.E. Wis. didn't take long for the lake patrol to figure it out!
    Mike Erb Cedar Ridge Canton Miss.
    Horton is my hero
    Zman
  • JbossJboss Posts: 71 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited March 2019
    @Jetsetr always good to meet another sledder! My wife and I are into it big time. We just passed 2,000 miles for the year and 5,000 miles on our 3-year old sleds. Time to trade them in! So, the $1,000,000 question is do you ride Arctic Cat, Ski Doo, Polaris, or Yamaha? I ride an AC ZR6000 Limited. My wife rides a Polaris 600 Rush Pro-S. This is what my backyard looks like right now. CRAZY snow this year. Love it, but now it's time to melt so I can put my ProStar in the water. :-)
  • JmoskiJmoski Posts: 408 Solid Baller
    Sweet - Maine has a similiar but more restrictive law - you can ski the course without a spotter if you have a wide angle mirror.
  • swc5150swc5150 Posts: 2,564 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Jboss Polaris:)
    Scott Calderwood
  • PacManPacMan Posts: 81 Baller
    I think this was passed a year or two ago. My brother and I have issues finding spotters for our early AM course skiing so we figured what would be the harm in going no spotter as the lake is empty at 6 am. We both had the worst OTF's we've ever had and we think he had a minor concussion. Last time I'll ski without a spotter.
    If your not having fun your not doing it right.
  • skiinxsskiinxs Posts: 676 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited March 2019
    @Jboss The Nautique color is called "Solar Red", looked like orange to me:) Nautique marketing picked all the colors on the new boat for the promo team last year. I woudln't have picked it myself, but I do have to say that it looked good. As far as the no spotter rule, I was serious, any state that requires a spotter to ski is off limits when my wife and I take a week to go out of town to ski. MO has always been skier friendly requiring only a wide view mirror, so that is where we usually went. Now areas like Wisconsin Dells are much more attractive to couples who want to take a skiing vacation, toursism should benefit from this rule.
  • JetsetrJetsetr Posts: 496 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited March 2019
    @Jboss I have a Ski Doo ETEC 600 Renegade and a 800 Grand Touring. Also have a ‘70 Evinrude and a ‘73 Johnson. Don’t get to ride as much as I like, too many irons in the fire. Going to ride in the Pembine area next week...I’ve had many 1000 mile years, never a 2K year. But I live waaaay south.
  • teammalibuteammalibu Posts: 1,118 Mega Baller
    edited March 2019
    @Jetsetr do either of your old sleds have the orange track! We sold Evinrude snowmobiles when I grew up at the Silver Lake Marina
    Mike Erb Cedar Ridge Canton Miss.
    Horton is my hero
  • JetsetrJetsetr Posts: 496 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    No, they’re both original and black. Never have seen an OMC with orange track. Orange seats, tanks and skis on the Johnsons
    but not tracks.
    The_MSbraindamage
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