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Boat Mate trailer problems Ski Nautique 200 OB

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  • DSPDSP Posts: 24 Baller
    I’ve never had a trailer without a traditional bow stop. Rolling the bow up on it requires acitane or fingernail polish remover to get the rubber skid marks off the hull. Not pulling the boat up all the way creates other towing hassles. Skiinxs posted a photo of a trailer with a different bow stop design. What are those vertical pads called and is that design better than the other kind?
  • EricKelleyEricKelley Posts: 282 Crazy Baller
    For all the technology that goes into our new generation ski boats, little technology and thought goes into the trailers. I complained years ago to Correct Craft management that they should be building their own trailers and designing them. One of the responses was, "who cares about the trailer?" I think for most of the ideas from this stem from where they are located. In Central Florida, a lot of owners don't even have trailers.
    Trailers used to be important to me before I had my lift. As a matter of fact most of my worst moments of boat ownership have revolved around the trailers. I think Mastercraft had it right in manufacturing their own trailers. My Ramlin trailer is awful when it comes to loading and unloading my 200. Is built pretty well but too utilitarian in design. I want a trailer that looks like a custom car and functions very well. I just don't know why marketing people don't see this as important. I think most trailer companies scan or measure the bottoms of the boat and make bunks the fit the bottom of the boat and give little thought into what happens during loading.
    rockdogScarletArrowE_T
  • oldjeepoldjeep Posts: 3,428 Mega Baller
    @DSP those are called crash pads - weird nautique thing that doesn't support the bow on the trailer.

    If you get the amber rollers you shouldn't be getting any marks on your hull.
    Chuck P
    Not a mechanic but I play one at home
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 3,787 Mega Baller
    MC has it right with the ramp n clamp
    eleeski
  • oldjeepoldjeep Posts: 3,428 Mega Baller
    Power loaders delight. I put a ramp and clamp on my trailer briefly until i realized what you had to do to use it.
    Chuck P
    Not a mechanic but I play one at home
  • 0419604196 Posts: 124 Baller
    I ordered a 2018 Boatmate for my '06 196 last year, $6.5K delivered. Filled out the "build sheet" with how I wanted the trailer built. Trailer arrived at my local Nautique dealer about 2.5 months later and when I picked it up I noticed it did not have the boat guides so I asked where they were. Was told by my dealer that "I must not have checked that box as they are an option". What? I went back to the website for boatmate and confirmed there was no "check box" for boat guides and read on the site that boat guides are standard equipment on ALL tournament boat trailers. In talking to Boatmate it was discovered they did not even weld in the boat guide supports or anchor points so could not just have them shipped to me and place them in. They at first were going to find a local welding shop to do this work but I knew after paint and the placement of the Seadeck, it would never look the same as original so nixed that suggestion.

    They were very apologetic and offered to build me another trailer which I was pleased with. Second trailer arrived and I assume was built off the same build sheet I had completed but:
    1. Trailer fenders came "teardrop" instead of straight
    2. First trailer tires were 15", now new trailer has 14"
    3. Runway lighting was spec'd in red and came white
    4. No mounted auto retracting stern tie downs as spec'd - no big deal as dealer had a set and bolted on

    All in all I was happy with getting a new trailer with the "standard" boat guides but disappointed the trailer could not be built to my requests, but I can live it.

    Now to the issue with loading and unloading - the same as many of you have had with the bow eye and trying to get the boat on the trailer with the bow eye "above" the bow roller on the trailer. Damn near impossible without putting the rear tires of my SUV ('18 Explorer) completely in the water to either load or launch the boat. A true PITA x2. Someone has totally missed the design on the front bow roller positioning or the bunks or both.

    I have had a couple of plates made that I hope solves the problem, mounted them last night and will launch/load this weekend and see if this made any improvement or needs further tweaking. I will repost my success or failure with this attempted fix.
    Original roller position

    New roller position

    Front view

    Boat inplace

    The boat sits in nearly the same position on the trailer and hoping the bow eye now does not conflict with the roller on loading or launching. Have less than $25 invested



    Ron Messenger
  • skiinxsskiinxs Posts: 555 Crazy Baller
    If you are coming in under the bow stop, you have the trailer in too deep. The 196 doesn't have the spray deflectors on the bow that the newer boats have, so no issues damaging the hull and trailer when not floating on. This is assuming that you aren't using a crazy steep ramp.
    oldjeep
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 3,787 Mega Baller
    @04196 so what keeps the hull from going up that roller when you hit the brakes (other than your stern tie downs)

    I've always had mine set up that the U bolt hits the roller with the strap going under the roller and then the safety chain.

    I like your brackets but I'd probably design them to have that roller above the U and put a stainless roller on a bolt beneath to give the strap something to guide it up and over.
  • 0419604196 Posts: 124 Baller
    @skiinxs yes, it is crazy steep so I have to have the trailer in deep to get over the bow stop. Same when launching, if the bow eye is over the roller when trying to launch, I can't even power off unless I have the trailer very deep in the water.

    @bracemaker The boat could go up the roller in the original position just as easy, the ratchet strap and safety strap would allow the boat to go up the roller a short distance, as the stern tie downs might allow also. Would have to be a panic stop, which is certainly possible but in reality I don't think it can go too far forward, hopefully the back of the SUV would stop it also :o I think I could also put a through bolt in the first hole forward of the bow roller, make a short safety chain attached to this bolt and quick connect to the bow eye which would prevent the boat from a forward slide or potentially run the current safety strap on the boat side of the bow roller
    Ron Messenger
  • BlueSkiBlueSki Posts: 681 Crazy Baller
    edited May 23
    In 2009, I bought a new BoatMate for my then ‘95 Nautique. A friend in TN was headed our way, so he stopped at the factory to pick it up and noticed that they put the wrong wheels on it. Consequently, the load bearing would have been less. The fix was not simple because the difference in size also meant it should have had 6 lugs, not 5. Thankfully he noticed at the factory. Once delivered the trailer was great, but it is funny to see that they still make the same mistake.
  • skierjpskierjp Posts: 740 Crazy Baller

    You should have ordered this bow stop, less aggravation
    Pat M
  • skiinxsskiinxs Posts: 555 Crazy Baller
    I was never a fan of the crash pads and avoided them like the plague for years, due to the whole issue of getting the cover on and off if a storm would come up while towing, but I have to say the new design rocks! All you have to do is turn the turnbuckle (which is very easy to turn) to move the crash pads away from the boat and back. For those that like to go in deep and float on, they are an advantage as they come down low to prevent the bow from coming in under a bow roller. They would be even better if they came down even lower;)
    skierjpPat M
  • igkyaigkya Posts: 657 Crazy Baller
    @skiinxs I hear ya and seems like a great idea (moveable crash pads). When I had a 196 with old style crash pads on the trailer, I had the cover made with a cutout (~ a foot) of the nose so I could put the cover on/off while on the trailer. When I moored the boat, the cover was made with a velcro attached piece to completely cover the nose.
  • skierjpskierjp Posts: 740 Crazy Baller
    The new movable crash pad is awesome.
  • Pat MPat M Posts: 680 Crazy Baller
    I Love the new crash pad. Despite all the issues I have with loading it, the crash pad is a great design. I always have been a fan of the bow stop/crash pad, but the adjustable turn buckle makes it that much better.
  • CCPD3CCPD3 Posts: 4 New Baller
    I just got a email back from Boatmate and there is no resolution for the 2018 SN200 trailers yet. There are currently working on the 2019 model issue.

    Has anyone tried putting a underlay and higher end carpet on your trailers? Boatmate uses a 20oz carpet which is good but you can get carpet up to 40oz.
  • 0419604196 Posts: 124 Baller
    My original "fix" was not completely successful as the bow eye still hit and got hung up on the bow roller both launching and loading, yes our ramp drops off very fast. My fix, which solved the problem I was having, was just to reverse the brackets I had made. This placed the roller above the bow eye and eliminated the problem as well as the concern of not allowing the boat to move "up" the roller on a panic stop. It did move the boat back on the trailer about 3" which I don't see as a problem. The bolt blue circled is the original roller location. I am curious if anyone sees an issue I have not thought of? All feedback is much appreciated.

    Ron Messenger
  • BlueSkiBlueSki Posts: 681 Crazy Baller
    @04196 any chance that you just fixed an installation error by the new on the line at Boatmate and now it is installed as intended?
  • 0419604196 Posts: 124 Baller
    @BlueSki If I understand your question correctly, no. I had a friend make the brackets (that are now bolted to the factory design) as shown in the top photo of my post from May 23, the holes you see in there are ones I drilled to mount the curved brackets. I drew out a pattern I felt might solve the issue but didn't, flipped them over and it did. I first felt lowering the roller was the right direction but turned out raising the roller to get it above the bow eye was the answer.
    Ron Messenger
    BlueSki
  • YeaitssloYeaitsslo Posts: 14 New Baller
    Just got a 2019 boatmate trailer for a 200.
  • CCPD3CCPD3 Posts: 4 New Baller
    I am putting a higher end carpet on my 2018 BOATMATE trailer as there is no proposed fix for now.
  • rockdogrockdog Posts: 563 Crazy Baller
    @04196 I like the idea, but the issue I have is the stern of the boat in the water is way low so when you winch up you need to physically lift the stern over the roller and winch some more, wouldn't lifting your roller up even more make it more difficult to get the stern over the roller?

    I had the crash pads on my old CTW for my 196 and was a much easier set up.
  • Pat MPat M Posts: 680 Crazy Baller
    @Yeaitsslo Take pictures of the trailer with and without the boat on it. Everyone here would appreciate it.
    Yeaitsslo
  • YeaitssloYeaitsslo Posts: 14 New Baller
    https://imgur.com/a/UY9qv16 Thought they posted. Can’t seem to upload.
    dvskier
  • Pat MPat M Posts: 680 Crazy Baller
    @Yeaitsslo Thanks for the pics. That is the same trailer as a lot of the people having problems. That does not have the fix to it. The newer 200 trailers are the same as the newer Ski Nautique trailer. They have a roller up front.
  • YeaitssloYeaitsslo Posts: 14 New Baller
    Kinda figured it was the same. I haven’t had any issues yet. My ramp is pretty perfect for loading angle.
  • CCPD3CCPD3 Posts: 4 New Baller

    Had bunks redone with a 35oz carpet with a underlay on my 2018 SN 200 Boatmate trailer. This carpet is far superior that what came on the trailer. We also glued it down so it will not bunch up and tear again. I will be loading the boat back on the trailer in the next week will keep you posted. I haven't got anywhere with Boatmate and couldn't wait any longer!
  • jjackkrashjjackkrash Posts: 566 Crazy Baller
    I am thinking about replacing some of the the carpet on the forward bunks of my trailer with King Starboard or something similar.
  • DSPDSP Posts: 24 Baller
    The season has just about passed and still no word from boat mate. Meanwhile the Fulton XLT 1400 Series winch broke from cranking the bow up over the bow stop as powering on scratches the hull.

    My opinion so far sine 2016: Not a good design. Not a good trailer. Poor service.
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