ZO vs PP for Trick

Hi all,

Skied behind a 196 nautique with PP almost all my life. Now changing to a Mastercraft 210 VRS, it has no cruise control yet. My question is, what brand and which model has the advantage if i'm almost only tricking? Preference goes out to the basic PP version cause that is the cheapest and i know how to use it.

Would love to hear your input,

Thanks in advance,



  • vtjcvtjc Posts: 301 Solid Baller
    What year is the Mastercraft and what motor does it have? Roughly needs to be 07/08+ or newer with an e-controls ECU to install ZO easily.
  • SanderwoutersSanderwouters Posts: 10 Baller
    It's a 2003 boat. So cause of throtle control only PP would work?
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 5,104 Mega Baller
    Correct. ZO is made by the company that makes the engine control computer. So if the boat doesn't have their computer the ZO unit won't work.
  • Orlando76Orlando76 Posts: 1,292 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    But can’t an 03 have ecm swap blah blah blah? To get the ZO?

  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 5,104 Mega Baller
    Probably at a minimum cats intake ecu throttle body wiring loom etc.

    At that point better to repower.
  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 3,843 Mega Baller
    Ok one more time!!
    Any vortec 1996 or newer sbc can be converted to e-control and zo.. no cats only how much are you willing to spend??
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.

  • SethroSethro Posts: 355 Crazy Baller
    @Sanderwouters, if you are trick skiing in a current then hands down you want a PP system with a paddle wheel. Not sure if they even "officially" offer that from PP anymore, but I'm thinking they would if you asked for it as they are very helpful in my experience.
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 4,008 Infinite Pandas
    PP Classic with a paddlewheel is as good as ZO for serious tricking.

    Without the paddlewheel, every PP I've tricked behind has been unskiable. RPM based is worthless with 2mph variations in speed for a weak old guy like me. GPS alone just doesn't respond fast enough to give a decent pull. Whatever you do, get a paddlewheel!

    PP Classic with a switch and a really savvy driver is almost as good as ZO for slalom. Zbox is OK for slalom but still not the same as ZO. Real jumpers won't jump behind PP.

    ZO is magic - use C settings. Worth the money?

  • Ski_DadSki_Dad Posts: 504 Baller
    edited April 2019
    Eric knows his stuff.

    here are a few more options for you - you didn't say if you trick in a course or not.


    if you find an older system that you want to add GPS to paddlewheel input

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