Ever swamp your boat?

rawlyrawly Posts: 468 Solid Baller
edited September 2010 in Technique & Theory
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   While learning how to drive the course,my daughter hit reverse at the end of the course when the boat was settleing back into the water.The nose dove in(2005 Mastercraft x-7(197)and filled the boat with water.The wall of water knocked the mirror off the windshield,and bent the bimini, when the boat stopped running(it was still going in reverse under water)the water level was at the top of the gunnels.Sorry John,no pictures.Long story short,that was over  2  months ago and after jacking me around for what seems forever,my local Mastercraft mechanic seems to want to keep the parts total under the insurance companies set price to total out the boat.I love the boat,but will it ever be the same?Any insurance guys,or mechanics out there.This happened in fresh water. Looking for advice,thanks in advance    Steve
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  • A similar thing happened to me...slammed the boat into reverse while towing a skier to avoid hitting a jetskier. Amazingly the only damage was a broken windshield, bent mirror frame (which actually points it directly behind the boat now), and the drive shaft broke about 80% through. We didn't find out about the drive shaft til some years later when it finally snapped. This was a 1980 stars & stripes, so it doesn't have nearly the number of options you've got, but it's been running great for years since the accident. I would check the starter, battery cables, anything electrical that might have gotten wet.
  • thagerthager Posts: 4,448 Mega Baller
    My 72 Hydrodyne IO with a Ford 302 was tied to the dock when a storm came in about 1980. Waves washed over and filled it to the gunnels before I could get down to it. I was at a friends party at the time so I probably didn't recognize the seriousness of the storm too quickly. Engine was not running at the time. I pulled the boat onto a boat lift to drain it then towed it home. At home I drained the oil then removed the spark plugs and turned the engine over a few times to blow water out of the cylinders. Water flew for 50 feet!! I then let everything dry out for a week or so. Changed the oil again, and put the spark plugs back in the engine. Ran the engine for a half hour and changed the fluids once more to be safe. I had that boat until 1998 and never had a single problem. Did your engine suck water into it? If so there would be a lot of damage. Good luck!
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  • rawlyrawly Posts: 468 Solid Baller
    edited September 2010
    Engine sucked lots of water,it was running when the water level went over the intake manifold.Engine is being replaced(2 busted rods),along with most electronics.Seems mechanic does not want to order a complete engine as recomended to me by Indmar,instead he wants to get a long block and re-use some of my old parts.Apparently a new engine,tranny,and electronics would put his estimate over the insurance companies repair vs.total the boat out threshold.The boat is drive by wire,and I haven't heard any mention of replacing throttle parts.So that is the type of advice I am looking for.Should I go with the deal that will make my dealer the most money,or should I request more parts to be replaced or have the boat totaled?I am also concerned about long term effects and re-sale value.I planned on keeping this boat for a long time. 
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 5,900 Mega Baller
    If it was me I would push to total it.  The dealer can sell you a new boat.
    Mark Shaffer
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,225 Administrator
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    There are a ton of good used boats out there. I say total it and start over.
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    Otherwise... ALL NEW electronics.
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  • MattPMattP Posts: 5,981 Mega Baller
    edited September 2010
    Total it. it is not worth it to have it all redone. Get something new (to you)!!
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,225 Administrator
    No not new. New boats are for suckers.... (unless you are the guy who just got one) too many killer deals on used boats right now.
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  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 5,900 Mega Baller
    I agree on the used front I would never buy a new one.  You might want to tell the dealer you would consider it to get him to total the boat.
    Mark Shaffer
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,225 Administrator
    I say buy from another skier - not a dealer unless you have to
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  • skibugskibug Posts: 2,029
    Promos are always a good route, new without the new price; and, still under warranty in many cases.
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  • Thomas WayneThomas Wayne Posts: 550 New Baller
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    We had a '73 Nautique that seized up its starter, and we replaced it with a Schuck's special.  This before we knew anything about "reverse rotation", so we were baffled when the damn thing wouldn't start after numerous attempts.  Finally, when it actually started squirting water out the carburetor (not kidding about that), we realized something was wrong...
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    We managed to retrieve the old <em>marine</em> starter from Schuck's core pile and took it to an auto-electric specialty shop for a total rebuild.  The shop owner let me watch the process, and later I rebuilt the starter myself (minus the  "new" spray paint) two more times before I sold it in 1980.
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    We did nothing about the water in the engine except remove the spark plugs and crank it over and over - until the battery needed recharging - while spraying fogging oil into the carb and spark-plug holes.  New plugs and crossed  fingers and it fired right up.  As far as I know it's still running somewhere...
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    TW
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  • teammalibuteammalibu Posts: 776 Crazy Baller
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    Speaking of great deals on used boats
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    2008 Response LXI loaded mint Zero Off low hours $31,500   318-230-1133 
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  • scokescoke Posts: 644 Solid Baller
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    nice boat, if you like malibus ;)
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     i've got a 2007 nauti with ZO for sale. Lots of nibbles while things are heating up in the market and expected to move it soon.
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  • Old MS AccoutOld MS Accout Posts: 2,114 Baller
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    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68AOltMu768">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68AOltMu768</a>
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  • rawlyrawly Posts: 468 Solid Baller
    That's about what happened,but when my kid was going backwards,she got more water to come in.She has this guy beat.I was at the other end of the lake,so I didn't see what happened.I just heard both of my daughters screaming hysterically,and could tell that the boat was floating way too low in the water.After almost losing my oldest daughter in a tubing accident,I was just glad that they were OK.The daughter who was driving was in shock.She actually told her sister"don't tell dad".Yeah right,dad wont notice a thing....Still waiting to hear from my insurance guy.
  • MattPMattP Posts: 5,981 Mega Baller
    How old are your daughters?
  • east tx skiereast tx skier Posts: 595 Solid Baller
    The worst part about that video to me is the guy restarting and pumping the throttle afterward. 
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  • rawlyrawly Posts: 468 Solid Baller
    The driver is 20,she's the middle daughter.So no,they're not really kids.
  • TuneyTuney Posts: 244 Baller
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    That video was ugly...
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     good luck with your situation rawly
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  • rawlyrawly Posts: 468 Solid Baller
    Insurance company and shop want to replace engine and most electronics.Since it was fresh water,they thing it will be OK in the future.Our lake has a large amount of Aquashade dye in it.Does anyone know if this makes the water more corrosive?
  • Bill GladdingBill Gladding Posts: 109 Baller
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    Rawly, We had something very similar happen to a 197 our group owned.  Driver went to reverse when he was slowing to turn to pick up skier and submarined.  It wrecked the Bimini and got quite a lot of water in the boat but did not damage the engine, harnesses or other electronics.  I would think you would be ahead of the game if they give you new electronics and a 0 hour engine.  The rest of the boat is pretty much water proof after thorough cleaning and drying.  Your event sounds a little more serious than ours so it might be worth having the shop dye penetrant check the propeller shaft at the propeller end to make sure it hasn't cracked at the keyway.
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    If they are going to replace the engine and electronics maybe you could get one with the correct ECM to run Zero Off. 
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  • rawlyrawly Posts: 468 Solid Baller
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    I'll check into that,but I was told that Z.O.only works with '07 and newer mastercrafts.
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      Thanks
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  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 5,900 Mega Baller
    The ZO issue is about the engine and ECM. If they are replacing all the electronics you should be able to get an engine and ECM that will run ZO.
    Mark Shaffer
  • blockblock Posts: 171 Baller
    I saw that happen at the Holly Lake Slalom Fest lots of years ago.  The skier popped the handle , the handle lassoed the shift lever and pulled it into reverse. The boat went under water . No one was hurt, the driver was sitting in his seat (like the movie) with a surprised look on his face.
    John Seiler
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,819 Infinite Pandas
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    My cell phones work when the water isn't too salty after they dry out. But if it's salty the cell phone is toast when it gets wet. ECMs are a bit more robust than cell phones.
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    However, if your boat is DBW and running PP then the electronics never worked right. That's why ZO is in all the new DBW boats. If you can get any money towards a new ECM, go for it and get the ZO compatible ECM. The ECM is what defines ZO compatibility. Call Jody. Spring for the ZO upgrade.
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    Aquashade is fine. Catfish poop less so but unless your water tastes salty it's OK.
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    The rest of the engine and transmission will be fine. Change all the fliuds and the engine will last as long as you take care of it. All of my flooded engines were old. Change the oil and hose them down with WD40 and they worked fine. Until the pan corroded away - but what do you expect when the bilge is always full of water?
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    At least your cool mirror survived.
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    Eric
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,225 Administrator
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    There is a killer MC for sale at Paradise.
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    Every story I have heard about this kind of thing is bad. I would try to total the boat and start over if possible. Keep the mirror,
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  • rawlyrawly Posts: 468 Solid Baller
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    Trying to get it totalled still.Seems that because of the bad economy,the insurance company and dealer are trying to do what is best for them.Pulled it from the shop,and will talk to an insurance arbitrator.I don't want to start throwing parts at it until I know this is my only option .Not looking for sympathy here,just figured the advice will help me now and maybe the next sub captain down the road.
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