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Radar Union 2020

ricorico Posts: 198 Solid Baller
4/10th of an inch wider that the Vapor. What is the difference with the Senate Pro?
Eric Francois - Studio City, CA - Denali C-75 - Reflex
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  • schaferschafer Posts: 305 Baller
    Senate is 2/10ths wider I believe.
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  • Stevie BoyStevie Boy Posts: 2,032 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    I wonder how much wider than most skis the Wide Ride was, are Radar going down this route, if I remember correctly quite a few people complained of back issues after riding the Wide Ride, but also a lot of people did like it at the time.

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  • aupatkingaupatking Posts: 1,289 Mega Baller
    I got a Union to play on. Haven’t yet but really looking forward to trying some goof-off -38 @ 26 mph passes. Our old Theory has been the Holy Grail of teaching skis. I’ve never seen a ski that more people learned to get up on and ride. I’m hoping the new Union will be just as good. It’s about 14 pounds lighter ;)
    Wish
  • Stevie BoyStevie Boy Posts: 2,032 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited July 18
    @Horton Ha Ha ! Just and old Fool ! I deserve it.

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  • ColeGiacopuzziColeGiacopuzzi Posts: 433 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    edited July 18
    @rico Senate pro is 2/10ths of an inch wider than the vapor. The Senate pro has the PMI core the same as the Vapor pro build. If you're asking about the 2020 Senate pro, you'll have to wait a bit longer to find out.
    ReggieO
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,866 Administrator
    @ColeGiacopuzzi I held the 2020 yesterday. Don't tell Brooks.

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  • ricorico Posts: 198 Solid Baller
    @ColeGiacopuzzi I meant what is the difference besides width. I wasn’t sure what market the Union was for. Makes sense.
    Eric Francois - Studio City, CA - Denali C-75 - Reflex
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  • ColeGiacopuzziColeGiacopuzzi Posts: 433 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    The union is for more open water/crossover ski for 24-32 mph! @rico
  • ejjejj Posts: 81 Baller
    I’m still wondering where the Union fits compared to the Katana.
  • escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 720 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @ejj Here's where it fits as I understand it.

    Vapor - Tournament -fast speeds - performance - racing - skinny
    Senate
    Union
    Katana
    Butterknife - Freeride - slow speeds - chillin - fat

    So...right in the middle of radar's line apparently.

    Now I need some reviews on this thing. After yesterday's developments, I'm suddenly thinking I'm going to be in the market for a 65" version in about a year.
  • ColeGiacopuzziColeGiacopuzzi Posts: 433 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    edited July 22
    Here is a chart of all our skis to get a better idea.


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  • jayskijayski Posts: 813 Mega Baller
    edited July 22
    awwwwwww fak...ski surface area....enter Chipman praisin the glory of it all :D
    Bill22escmanazebigtex2011
  • ejjejj Posts: 81 Baller
    Yep I understand the chart. The Union and Katana seem to be awfully close in every dimension. Must just be a shape difference. Or people were upset about the missing Theory and didn’t really buy the Katana so they reproduced it based on the current comp ski.
    ColeGiacopuzziescmanaze
  • mbabiashmbabiash Posts: 516 Crazy Baller
    Just skied the 67 senate pro build with @TFIN numbers. That ski is nice. Not as forgiving as my EVO but rewards good form.
    @ColeGiacopuzzi is the 2020 just a graphic change?
    Mateo_Vargas
  • ColeGiacopuzziColeGiacopuzzi Posts: 433 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    Sorry @mbabiash gotta wait a little longer for that answer! the whole 2020 line is unreal though.
  • WishWish Posts: 7,857 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Best line up/system that Radar had going IMHO....

    Vapor
    Senate ..,slightly wider
    Theory ....slightly wider
    P6. .....slightly wider still

    New to course skiing?. Start at the bottom of the pack at 24mph and work your way up the ski design and up the MPH. Never worry about a wacky diff feeling other brand ski as you improve and advance up the line.

    now it seems there's almost to many skis to pick from.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
    ToddLgsm_peter
  • Mateo_VargasMateo_Vargas Posts: 853 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Come on @ColeGiacopuzzi I'm trying to plan my 2020 wardrobe.
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    ColeGiacopuzzi
  • mbabiashmbabiash Posts: 516 Crazy Baller
    That’s what they always say though.
    2016 vapor was awesome. 17 and 18 probuilds took a step backward. 2019 I hear is great.
  • UWSkierUWSkier Posts: 1,205 Mega Baller
    @Wish they still have that. Just change out the Union for Theory and the Katana for P6.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,866 Administrator

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  • vtmechengvtmecheng Posts: 621 Crazy Baller
    How many different panda memes can we get in one thread?
  • mbabiashmbabiash Posts: 516 Crazy Baller
    Yes!!! My first panda.
    Not sure that was deserving though @horton.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,866 Administrator
    @mbabiash
    2016 & 2017 skis basically the same
    2018 & 2019 skis basically the same

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  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 5,962 Mega Baller
    Interesting that the Katana has a tiny bit less surface area in the 67” length than the Union. I have been skiing the 67 Katana at 200 pounds at 30 mph and it has plenty of support. It is a fun ski in the course at slower speeds.
    Mark Shaffer
  • bhsbhs Posts: 280 Baller
    Jayski, I think Chipman has been banned so he went be chiming in any time soon.
  • escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 720 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @ejj Good point, I didn't even notice that. Like @Chef23 says, the 67" and the 69" are bigger in the union line than the katana line. Crazy. The shape is obviously much different though.

    As @wish said, I loved the progression starting with the P6, but I'll disagree and say there are never too many choices.
  • mbabiashmbabiash Posts: 516 Crazy Baller
    @horton are you telling me that materials do not make a difference. New core new textreme from 16 to 17 right?
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,866 Administrator
    @mbabiash materials do make a huge difference but in this case I think your facts need some double checking.

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  • mbabiashmbabiash Posts: 516 Crazy Baller
    Hmmmm. Ok. The almighty intergalactic leader has spoken. I will step down.
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