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I've been taught for years to try not to load the rope until behind the boat. I was skiing with someone today who told me at 38 I should be loading earlier, from further outside, with the load completed by the first wake. I was skeptical, but gave it a try and had the nicest, slowest 1 ball, where ususally at 38 I feel like I am flying into the buoys.Â
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Question for all you shortline guys. Where do you load, and release load, and does it change at different lengths. Thx.
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I really can't be the first to answer this, because it's pretty obvious that I don't actually KNOW how to run -38 -- I've only done it twice in practice and that was a few years ago.
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But I'm extremely interested and perhaps I'll jump back in later with some thoughts and/or questions.
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Whatever Skidawg says - do it. He runs 39 regularly and is a great coach. He always tells me to wait and load right behind the boat. With ZO, this works well. If I load early at the ball, the boat wins before I'm in a good position to move the ski out off the 2nd wake.  ZO has changed the way most of us ski. Ward?
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This topic/conclusion to "load behind the boat", which implies "not loading wide" or "nearer the ball", has always defied logic for me. It seems to me that we "must" achieve a certain minimum speed (x) by the time we cross the boat path in order to have the momentum (stored energy) to carry us out to the next ball. Now the problem is.....how to obtain the speed. If one begins acceleration nearer the ball, one has more time and distance to create the required speed (x) and therefor the rate of acceleration (and load) is less. If one waits to load only behind the boat, then the rate of acceleration (load) must be higher in order to achieve speed (x).
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Now all of this is presumes that other variables don't interfer.Â
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Frankly, I have ridden in the boat to witness numerious 38/39 skiers turn on a tight line and hook-up wide, light and early. They seem to master the ability to turn sharp and conserve more of thier speed, yet not over turn.
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Bring on the arguments...I want to learn the error of my ways.
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JIII
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I used to think that ski tuning might be more complicated than Rocket Science.........
Now I know it is..
(Please keep in mind my own inability to run -38 in reading this. These are just my theories.)Â
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35itb, you bring up conserving speed and I think that is very important to this discussion. If by "loading up" you mean maximim force on your body, then doing so out near the ball represents a mistake -- for the very reason that it could only happen if you had given up too much of your speed at the end of the turn and now have to "restart."
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But that doesn't mean you're NOT trying to generate angle and speed all the way out there at the ball. Quite the contrary -- you want to set a good angle immediately and begin adding to your speed (in the cross-course direction) right away. But, in part thanks to the geometry, the heaviest load on the body should fall directly behind the boat, when the rope is aligned with the enemy (aka the boat travel direction).
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Changing gears a little, I find that <em>psychologically</em> I need to pull longer at -35 and -38. But when I watch video I'm not <em>actually</em> pulling longer. I think this has to do with carrying more speed on each successive chop of the rope, so if I mentally cue off my speed, then I let up my pull too soon. This means I have to hold it longer than my instinct is telling me in order to succeed.
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I believe it it a blend of load, ie, start the load at the completion of the turn, (make sure it is finished) then progressively load as to explode through the second wake with the ski in front of you bringing on an automatic edge change or transition. what most of us do is load sharply at the end of the turn and then ZO or the boat pulls us out of position by the second wake. watch Parrish and he gets a lot done just in the turn which takes him half way to the white water then he progressively loads into his edge change. I think we can only load for about a second unitl we start to lose it, so you want to "lose it" when you want to anyway or at the transition...this should lead to a great carry out with "free momentum", or a swing with out more work.
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thoughts?
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The Pendulum effect, Like being on a swing set fully illustrates the optimum Loads and their relationship to effeciency...
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Setting skis on a hard edge in the snow will slow down or stop fwd progress. Doing this same thing on water at the wrong time (Like I do) creates about 900lbs. of unuseable line load that Slows the skier enough to eventually end the pass or exhaust the skier...  Â
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I have skied with Andy and fully understand with what he is saying. It is beneficial to maximize your leveraged position as you complete your lean right after the hookup. The key is to maximize your lean. i.e.: feel the rope, then relax, while staying in your lean. This sets maximum edge angle on the ski, allowing the rocker to take effect. The ski will act as if it is in a turn and drive your knees towards you. Stay in your lean through the first half of the edge change. This creates the reverse C, right before the boat pulls you over. You can really gain carryout angle by assisting the knees and setting the edge for more carryout, creating more space between you and the buoy.
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I hope bmiller doesn't read this because it will definitely go over his head then he will try to vilify me as he did on the ZO article. I bet Marco, MS, and Than get it instantly.
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Ski Well, ED
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Ed, can you reitterate; " i.e.: feel the rope, <strong><em>then relax</em></strong>, while staying in your lean". -your basically saying; "Fall back" into your leveraged (stacked) position, right?
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"This sets <strong><em>maximum edge angle</em></strong> on the ski" -Not trying to split Hairs, just trying to understand your statement. Is it MAXIMUM or OPTIMUM?
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Thanx!
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Brent,
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Your absolutely correct, I apologize.....ED
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h2odawg,
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Your assessment is correct, stacked and optimum work for me.
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To elaborate on the rope: At Nationals last year I bought a PowerVest from Dave to experiment with. On the PV, you adjust the straps to catch you at the amount of lean you desire. I set mine for a 38off lean. Using the PV you fall back and you feel the PV catch you and you relax. You should now be in your leveraged, stacked position. This taught me a valuable lesson getting use to the feel of it catching you. The problem with the PV for me was it felt restrictive in my ability to counter-rotate with my hips and use angulation.
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However, I found I could use the ROPE for the same feeling of having it " Catch You" like the PV did. The difference being you had to adjust the PV as to where it would catch you but the rope would catch me at my optimum lean, no adjustment necessary. As you shorten the rope the lean will automatically increase.
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So this now became a game of starting my lean off the apex to initiate acceleration, plus sliding and skiing my hip to the handle, while continuing to complete my lean, in the direction of travel, till the rope CATCHES ME....Then relax, while maintaining the lean, to allow the legs to compress through the edge change
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I could go on and on about elbows to the vest, two hands on the handle, and sustained angular momentum etc., but I think you get the picture at this point.
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Wow, this is a lot easier to show someone in person that to try to print it out.
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Forgive the Lengthy Post,  ED
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Thanx Ed! -Great explanation.
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One day I may just have to try out the 'ol PV...
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Dawg,
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My point was you use the Rope just like it was the PowerVest. I sold my PV some time ago, but what I learned from it was very valuable.
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Ski Well, ED
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Ed,
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I understood and I remembered you had once said you sold yours. But, your explanation of your findings just gave me another reason to try one out! I tend to want to turn, <u>lean </u>and pull everything as if i were 38 off!!! -only to be chewed up and then spit out by 340 ponies...
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Marco,
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First of all, glad to here your back on the water....... Your absolutely right about "throttle" control at 35 &38. I feel 35 is where short line skiing begins, and in the age of ZO it is very easy to overpower the shorter line lengths. Smooth and light on the line really pays off. I know you'll be deep into that 38 in no time.
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Once again, glad to hear your back........ED
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Thanks Ed! It has been exactly a year since my achilles surgery, and I'm still not 100%, but I'm just glad to be skiing.
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I've never been accused of being light on the line, and can definately be a scrapper sometimes. How and when you load the rope, can make the difference between skiing with finesse and without it. In order to pick up more buoys, I need to focus on the finess part. Avoiding big variations of speed through the course is going to be one of my focuses for what is left of our too short Colorado season.Â
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