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Need advice for -32

I’m running -28 at 34.2mph. Not automatic, but I expect to run it. What got me there is; 1. high on the boat before the gate, engine box in line with 1 ball at turn in. 2. holding my position past the 2nd wake, maintain angle, don’t give up to the boat. 3. When I finish my turn (hip to handle is my in course thought) I immediately point my rear shoulder/chest toward the sky (right shoulder on 1,3,5). This is the in-course thought that helps me maintain a stacked position. Additional info: I ski a 67” ARC that I have dialed in with 0.748 DFT, 6.91, front binding at 30”. I like my settings, I feel stable & my front foot heavy on the ski. 8 degree wing. I cant run -32, I’ve gotten a look at 5 ball but very inconsistent sometimes I can’t get to 3. I have a training loop that Brenda from In Tow made which is -30, but still nothing more than 4 balls. Anything I’m missing here? Do I just need more reps? Is a training loop a good idea? Tweak my settings? I lose angle coming into the ball, I ski at the ball, I can’t get wide to the buoy consistently. I have played with my zero off, I’m usually B3, but tried C2 and I may stick with this. Advice needed please!


  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 5,989 Mega Baller
    Almost impossible to help without video.
    Mark Shaffer
  • Buoyhead69Buoyhead69 Posts: 82 Baller
    I have video of me running -28 on my iPhone but I don’t know how to post it. Apparently I need a YouTube link? If anyone can do this I’ll be happy to send the video.
  • scuppersscuppers Posts: 451 Baller
    @scoke thanks for that post. very interesting advice. I never thought of it that way but it makes a lot of sense
    Chuck Link, Deland Florida
  • ski6jonesski6jones Posts: 1,053 Mega Baller
    edited August 2019
    Something I always do when working on my next line is increase my gate intensity. it happens subconsciously. I never start running the next pass consistently until I tone down my gate, among other things but always that one. I try to do everything better, not harder.
    Carl Addington, Lakes of Katy, Texas
  • h2onhkh2onhk Posts: 294 Crazy Baller
    @Buoyhead69 I'm in the same boat. 28 is fairly consistent but I scrap like hell for anything beyond 2 @32. I've run 32 three times in my life and all 3 started with a perfect ball 1 and then staying calm the rest of the way. Panic leads to bad decisions and I start to rush things. The 32 gate timing and speed are my problem. I find that if my timing is right my speed is off and vice versa. Both have an impact on my edge change which had an effect on where I'm at on the boat. 9 times out of 10 I have to eat a ton of slack on 1 and then it's a rat race to 2. Honestly I think a lot of it is in my head. I'm so worried about the perfect gate turn in timing I forget some fundamentals. 2 things I'm going to try to focus on next set are staying connected with the boat longer by not releasing the handle too early and down course vision. Just my 2 cents. I feel your pain. It's frustrating.
  • OldutskierOldutskier Posts: 51 Baller
    I’d slow the boat down 1 mph so you can get the feel of -32. It makes a big difference and if your gate is wrong, the lower speed will give you enough margin for error to get the feel for the pass. This advice, of course, is worth what you are paying for it! I’d slow down the coat before I used ‘tweener length. Keep working at it!
  • jimskijimski Posts: 471 Crazy Baller
    I can run 28 99.9 % of the time
    32 90% of the time
    The big difference for me is patience in the turn maintain the pull don’t pull to hard
    Once I settle down
    It’s no problem
  • 3mustskiteer3mustskiteer Posts: 9 Baller
    @skoke is there any "one" thing you can do differently in the gate setup from -28 to -32 that will kinda magically make it click? Or is there quite a difference in the gate setup all together? I too struggle with coming into ball 1 way too fast vs my -28. When I get the -32 gate right & run it I have trouble duplicating what I did right. BTW congrats on the Nats win!
  • BrennanKMNBrennanKMN Posts: 517 Crazy Baller
    I am a big fan of slowing the boat down and just getting a feel for new line lengths. That has helped me immensely. I'll usually jump down a whole notch. Sometimes 2 as I ski both 34 and 36.

    What brought 32 together for me was not skiing as hard. I would run 28, shorten and then mentally I would work twice as hard and screw myself. Ski 32 like it's 28 effort wise, just a little wider on the gate. In any event, post some video!!
  • ALPJrALPJr Posts: 2,096 Mega Baller
    edited August 2019
    To each his own. I love my -30 loop and find that it helps me train for -32 when I'm not quite in peak shape. Then again I’m super happy if I run my first four passes, -15, 22, 28 and 30 or 32. For me the gate and 1 seem to be the key at -32.
  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 5,524 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    Excess speed is your enemy. Going too fast ball to ball will kill you. Gate and 1 to get on a good path and then control excess speed swings.
    Shut up and ski
  • TheBigHeadTheBigHead Posts: 59 Baller
    Download the youtube app, make an account and upload the video its actually pretty straight forward. Without video its hard to say for sure.

    28 and 32 ski very similarly, so if your 28 is feeling automatic you should have no trouble figuring out 32.

    How long have you been running 28? How do you structure your sets in training? (starting line/speed when you cut the line etc.)

  • jhughesjhughes Posts: 1,013 Mega Baller
    edited August 2019
    As @scoke's main problem-child student I'm just glad to see @scoke back on BOS! I do not do any of those 1-4 and that is why I can't run 32. Soon, though. The comeback is mounting.
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,584 Mega Baller
    Can you elaborate on wider not higher? I've been told the reverse: focus on higher because width is misleading at very short line lengths.
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • BobFBobF Posts: 161 Baller
    On other thing to think about (cause you don't have enough already :) )might be to stop trying to get your entire body (or head) outside the buoy line. You can likely ski 32 like a narrow 28. Even more important as you progress further up the line.
  • AndreAndre Posts: 1,313 Mega Baller
    You can't be wide with a slack rope but you can be high with a slack rope...i think?
  • lkblkb Posts: 583 Baller
    edited August 2019
    Posting this for buoyhead69

  • epnaultepnault Posts: 330 Crazy Baller
    I am struggling at the 28 line length but what some of you say is what is happening to me. I am smoking fast at 1 ball and can't control the speed. I ski my 15 and 22s @ 34mph pretty easy but when I get to 28 it is a train wreck. I think I am pulling too long and too hard.
  • Buoyhead69Buoyhead69 Posts: 82 Baller
    The 2 passes above are back to back -28s I ran last Christmas at Eden. This summer I’m slightly better at keeping my position through the 2nd wake but this is probably representative of where I am at -28. No video at -32 at present, I’ll work on it. Thank you everyone, great advice a lot to digest, I need a lot of time on the water. And thank you @lkb for posting this.

    To answer a couple questions above: my opening pass is -22 at 32.3mph. Then I go to -22 at 34.2 and try to run that smooth at least a couple times before going to -28. If I don’t get my -28 I typically go back to -22 and run that again before going back to -28.

    Interesting to hear about speed control at shorter line lengths- the importance of less speed into 1 ball. I have to work on that. Sometimes I come screaming into 1 on my -28 and that’s why my -28 is not automatic. Staying wide but not fast is important on my -28 and I struggle with it more at -30/-32. I also got some PMs on email. Thank you!
  • BrennanKMNBrennanKMN Posts: 517 Crazy Baller
    edited August 2019
    I'm no pro, but I see a few things.
    1. Get wider/higher on the boat for the gate. You're drifting back a good amount by the time you cut in.
    2. Be sure to focus on looking down course when crossing the wake, almost looks like you're looking at the next ball. This causes you to let up earlier rather than continue working thru the wake. You're almost hitting the wake on a flat ski some of the times.
    3. To me it looks like you're not letting the ski finish the turn before loading the line. This is causing you to have a shallower angle and break at the waist. Ski back to the handle after the turn and let your body get into a stronger position. You have a bias to have your COM a bit back too.

    If I were you I'd try and get my 28's to the point where you are waiting on the balls, you kept getting later and later in that pass. That stuff will catch up with you fast at 28 and shorter.
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 5,989 Mega Baller
    @Buoyhead69 it is definitely a gate issue. Your gate will hold you back from running more difficult passes. I would suggest pulling out a little later with more energy to get and maintain more width/height on the boat. The extra energy will allow you to be maintaining roughly the same speed as the boat to make the turn in much easier and generate more speed earlier. It is important to have speed into the first wake not necessarily out of the second wake. I believe even trying to run 32 most of us learning to run the line length still need to work through the second wake but then you need to ride the line out to the buoy.
    Mark Shaffer
  • skihartskihart Posts: 516 Solid Baller
    @scoke can you elaborate on this a bit more. I can’t wrap my head around it but I think it’s a key element. Especially for me at 35.
    “It's your gate. You took 1.25 meters off the rope:
    Are you moving in 1.25 meters earlier? Are you swinging the ski (slowing down) into 1, 1.25 meters earlier? If the answer is no to either, then you are going too fast at 1 ball therefore barely turning the ball then can fight to 3 ball. “
  • ski6jonesski6jones Posts: 1,053 Mega Baller
    Lots of good suggestions about how to improve the gate above. Just keep in mind that everywhere you read "speed" above you should also be thinking direction, especially through the gates. That will set the rhythm for the pass. Speed directly at 1 ball is very different than the same speed directed outbound. You need the right velocity (speed & direction).
    Carl Addington, Lakes of Katy, Texas
  • jimskijimski Posts: 471 Crazy Baller
    One thing I noticed is your com is way behind you .
    If this means anything.
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,584 Mega Baller
    Thanks for taking the time to explain @scoke! I get it now.

    Fwiw, I'd love to see more posts from you, but I do get the concept that actually doing stuff is a better use of time than typing into a little box...
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • Buoyhead69Buoyhead69 Posts: 82 Baller
    @scoke and @jimski when you guys talk “leverage position” and “COM” I assume that’s another way of say stacked position? Thank you for taking the time to look & comment!
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