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  • dbaconazdbaconaz Posts: 108 Baller
    interesting to see how long the battery lasts!!
    swbca
  • swbcaswbca Posts: 163 Baller
    edited February 28
    Better jack up the folks in charge of the electric grids, or they will be telling folks they can't charge their boats and cars this week because brownouts are expected with a heatwave causing record residential air conditioning loads. Ilon Musk says the country isn't preparing for the planned growth in electric cars. We have fabulous ingenuity for planning increases in electric demand and bureaucratic stagnation for increasing supply. Maybe Correct Craft should work on a dual fuel boat so it can burn fossil fuel when electric is being rationed, which can be at any arbitrary time in some states.
    CamA_Bski6joneshacker
  • RednucleusRednucleus Posts: 592 Crazy Baller
    How about a solar bimini upgrade?
    swbcaToddA
  • lpskierlpskier Posts: 3,128 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Yeah, don’t buy one in Texas. A “fill up” might run you $17,000!

    A guy that lives on my lake was heading up this project. Dusty Able. He’s Austin Able’s cousin and previously worked at Nautique. One hell of a wakeboarder and wake surfer and not a bad skier. He could run [email protected], and I never once saw him wear gloves. That look’s like him at the beginning of the article but I can’t tell for sure because the picture looses resolution as it expands.
    John Wilkins- Si non pro sanguine quem ludus ne. #iskiconnelly
    swbca
  • swbcaswbca Posts: 163 Baller
    edited February 28
    @Rednucleus GREAT IDEA . . . you were being facetious, but a solar Bimini top might give you a couple of hours per week of electric skiing. The solar powered boat lifts attenuate the charge rate on the battery to avoid overcharging.
    Rednucleus
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 4,620 Mega Baller
    @swbca ironically the way people predict our power grid to look 10 years from now when there are more electric cars will be to treat the cars as capacitance. Get home from work and don't need to use it for a few hours? Plug in and set your car to "sell" its current charge back to the grid. All the commuters who get home and turn the A/C to high causing brown outs now plug in their car that still has a lot of juice particularly if they have some form of at work charging option now those commuters have bought cheap mid day electricity and can sell it as expensive 5PM electricity. And if the car just needs to recharge it can do so off peak as the sun sets.

    If for instance you had yourself a house equipped with solar power, tesla power wall, a generator, and were set to both buy and sell when people were paying 17K you'd have been making bank. Just a thought.
    gsm_peterozskiescmanaze
  • WayneWayne Posts: 564 Crazy Baller
    A solar panel array the size of a bimini will probably generate 100 to 150 watts. A level 2 charger puts out over 3kW and will probably take over 4 hours to charge the 124kWh pack. A solar bimini would barely act as a trickle charger.

    I’m also negating the voltage difference so it would probably do even less.
    gsm_peterISP6ball
  • swbcaswbca Posts: 163 Baller
    @Wayne I thought @Rednucleus made a good joke. I didn't really think it would work, but I suppose the voltage output could be adjusted by a serial array of solar panels.
    Rednucleus
  • swbcaswbca Posts: 163 Baller
    @BraceMaker If you take average power rates and average gasoline rates, is one more cost effective for the end user in a car or boat ? I understand that fuel costs are very volatile but conceptually, is there a consensus that electric is cheaper per mile ? Separate question, which has the most efficient production and delivery considering the cost of infrastructure build-out and infrastructure operation and delivery costs ?
  • dvskierdvskier Posts: 706 Crazy Baller
    You also have to factor in battery replacement (likely after warranty period). To me this is a huge concern. Very expensive and the raw materials are not in the USA from my understanding.
    ISP6ball
  • WayneWayne Posts: 564 Crazy Baller
    @swbca I think I took it literally. The real issue is the output of the solar panel array just doesn’t have enough output to have an impact.
  • jjackkrashjjackkrash Posts: 867 Crazy Baller
    At the boat show last year IIRC the upcharge for the electric engine was around a $100k over the gas engine. That's a chunk of change.
    AdamCord
  • ozskiozski Posts: 1,715
    Gas powered transportation will soon be looked at like Nokia phones.. I can't wait for all these electric toys to take over, even aviation is investing in electric tech now. Wheels will be optional one day in the not to distant future..
    'Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better.'' 2021 MC As soon as it lands Ski - KD Platinum

    MichaelWiebeAdamCordAndre
  • chrislandychrislandy Posts: 203 Solid Baller
    It will be common place very soon, my musings last month suggest its a feasible method of powering a ski boat.

    I'd stake money on the fact once you've skied behind an electric boat, you'll like the feeling, immediate motor reaction, even faster than ZO, customisable power delivery profiles, silent running - as a driver or coach, you'll be able to hear the skier talk back, even at speed.

    Once adopted and proven on private lake settings, it'll get rolled out, even if it's a repower in different countries like dealers do for diesel engines - yes, we can get oil burner powered boats in Europe, straight from the dealer. It's only time before we're going electric.
    MichaelWiebeRednucleus
  • Bruce_ButterfieldBruce_Butterfield Posts: 1,892 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    @ozski not sure if you are being sarcastic or really believe that, but "Wheels will be optional one day in the not to distant future"? So we are going straight from gas powered cars to flying electrics?

    @chrislandy have you personally skied behind an electic boat? If not how can you claim we will all "like the feeling". One of the realities of electric motors is they produce maximum torque at 0 rpm and the torque drops off as rpm increases, so the amount of torque available at skiing speeds remains to be seen. I'm very skeptical that an electric motor reaction will be faster than gas at skiing speeds.

    "It's only time before we're going electric". Perhaps, but I bet it won't be in my lifetime (the next 30 years or so)
    I'm Ancient. WTH do I know?
  • chrislandychrislandy Posts: 203 Solid Baller
    @Bruce_Butterfield No, I haven't, not yet, but I have driven electric cars. The response is instantaneous compared to a gas engine, even at speed

    All the EV motor curves I've seen have a flat maximum torque up to X rpm, say 0-4000rpm then drop off at a relatively constant rate, not just depending on the motor but also the controller and battery.

    I know it goes against how a prop's torque requirements go i.e. 0 at 0 and higher the more required, but so does a gas motor, in fact most engines I've dyno'd drop off pretty quickly once the max torque has been reached.

    Ford have committed to electric only consumer market in the UK and Europe by 2030, not hybrid, all electric, so that will only roll down to everything else. GM are making a drop in retrofit motor for V8 replacement for classics and DIY converters - not cheap, but literally pull out and pop in conversion for the motor and controllers.
  • AdamCordAdamCord Posts: 920 Open or Level 9 Skier
    @Bruce_Butterfield you're looking for another bet?? I'm in!!
    Bruce_Butterfield
  • Stevie BoyStevie Boy Posts: 2,202 ★★★★Quad Panda Award Recipient ★★★★
    Not is all lost Blue Gas could be the Saviour, for some of you petrol heads.

    Addicted To Carbon Fibre

  • HortonHorton Posts: 30,437 Administrator
    @Bruce_Butterfield with the increasing percentage of electric vehicles coming out of major manufacturers it seems plausible that electric power plants equivalent to the petroleum power plants would become standard catalog items from companies like general motors. when that happens why would the Marine industry continue to use petroleum?

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  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 6,132 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    The transition for manufacturers will be a nightmare. Would you drop 120 k on a new Nautique knowing that in 2 years it will be obsolete?
    Shut up and ski
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  • ISP6ballISP6ball Posts: 214 Baller
    I feel like price point, run times, and charging times will have to make some pretty impressive leaps before electric boats take over the gas powered boat industry. I'm excited to see where technology goes, but the last thing a "all in" diehard electric guy wants to say is....

    "Can we ski behind your gas boat? My electric has 2 more hours before we can take it out"
    VONMAN
  • Stevie BoyStevie Boy Posts: 2,202 ★★★★Quad Panda Award Recipient ★★★★
    Where is all the electricity going to come from, cars, boats, heating and so much more, yes there is wind and hydro power, the cheapest way to produce electricity is Nuclear Power and not too many people are keen on that.
    Or tho there has been a lot of money put into electric cars , the better option is Hydrogen or a dirivitive, moving back to the current electric solution, generally in current vehicles the battery drops ten percent or more per year capacity, so not only are you paying for your electric, you are going to eventually have to spend lots on a new battery.
    So many people driving around in Big V8 Trucks , I can,t help thinking it,s a dream, but sadly it is harsh reality, there has to be change, if you want your Kids to live and prosper in the future, give up your Gas Guzzling Trucks.

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  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 3,164 Mega Baller
    @Stevie Boy, I thought that the generation of hydrogen consumed a substantial amount of electricity. So, how does that get us out of the electrical capacity issue?
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
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