Handle slapping ski, major damage, help

bxroadsbxroads Posts: 219
edited October 2010 in Technique & Theory
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I've posted these pics in a "ski repair" thread but I need to fix what's causing the problem (probably me).  Today the tip of the ski (Radar Senate C) took another slap but this time on the other side.  The below pictures is only one side of the ski but now the other side looks just like it, probably worse.  It wouldn't surprise me at all if the next slap takes the tip of the ski completely off.  Today I actually saw and heard the handle hit the tip so I know without a doubt what is causing it.   It happens when I'm completing the turn, the line loads, and I can't hold it.    I know ultimately I need to learn to whip the handle in such situations.  That said......
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 The handle is a straight masterline with end caps which are still in good shape.  Is there any other type of handle that may not cause as much damage?
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 Should the ski be this fragile?  It seems to have major damage each time the handle hits it.
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 Any tips to keep this from happening? 
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 Thanks in advance and be sure not to lend me your ski!
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 <img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4087/5040600544_45acfc5dfb_z.jpg" border="0" width="640" height="403" />
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<img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4086/5039979963_3b8904218a_z.jpg" border="0" width="640" height="463" />
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<img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4087/5040600544_45acfc5dfb_b.jpg" border="0" width="1" height="1" />
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Comments

  • lpskierlpskier Posts: 2,471 Mega Baller
    Not sure what your cure is, but forget about borrowing my ski!<img border="0" alt="Tongue out" title="Tongue out" />
    John Wilkins- Si non pro sanguine quem ludus ne. #iskiconnelly
  • lpskierlpskier Posts: 2,471 Mega Baller
    The "Tongue out" was supposed to be a smiley face. Not sure what happened there. Maybe you shouldn't loan me your computer.
    John Wilkins- Si non pro sanguine quem ludus ne. #iskiconnelly
  • eddie_roberts_jreddie_roberts_jr Posts: 450 Water Ski Industry Professional
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    We might be able to build a ski that would be impervious to this kind of hit but it would need to have it's own life vest. Handles have snapped back and broken mirrors in the towboat, cracked skulls and fiberglass transoms and I once saw a jumper trying to ride one out and failing to do so, popped the handle and it flew forward and stuck into the cowling of the outboard motor. You may be getting real deep in the turn or overturning the ski and can't handle the angle you're getting and the boat is just too strong when you are in that position. I'm not sure that's what's happening but it sounds like you may need to be a little more patient in the turn and get your ski under the rope and in between you and the boat before you lean on the handle.You also might want to think about letting go of the handle as opposed to having it jerked out of your hands. Any of this make sense?
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  • bxroadsbxroads Posts: 219
    edited October 2010
    Eddie, it all makes sense.  In the meantime, I think that I need to buy another Senate C so that I can get a repair rotation going without having down time. 
  • eddie_roberts_jreddie_roberts_jr Posts: 450 Water Ski Industry Professional
    Good idea! There are some pretty good deals out there on closeouts right now. We have them discounted to our dealers and you should be able to get a pretty good deal. What size?
  • DirtDirt Posts: 1,584 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    Don't let Eddie discourage you. If you are hell bent on taking the tip off that ski, hang on and let the handle rip. You don't really use the tip for anything. Also, don't let the boat win that tug of war. You are much stronger than a 340 hp V8 with a 4 blade prop. Just hang on a bit longer or try clenchers.
    I learned everything I know not to do from Horton
  • Stevie BoyStevie Boy Posts: 1,919 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
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    Hey bxroads, I used to do that a lot, not much fun whern you have spent much wonga on a brand new ski, stand up through to the finish of the turn, it won,t happen again, best bit of advice I ever got.
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    <strong>"The moment you edge change that is the finish of your turn"</strong>  just ride the ski and hook up at the end. 
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    "Getting Harder/Getting Positive”

  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 6,028
    Post a picture of the handle end cap. 
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • bxroadsbxroads Posts: 219
    edited October 2010
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    Eddie, I ski the 67.  There's a used one for sale here, one of the 2008 early pre-production skis with the MPD bottom.  I just can't warm up to buying a used ski that I haven't seen, though I'm sure its good to go.   There's another for sale at ski-it-again for $220 shipped but its 2" to long.
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  • bxroadsbxroads Posts: 219
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    Shane, the rope and handle are in the boat and the boat is at the lake.  I'm skiing today so I'll snag a pic.
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  • A_BA_B Posts: 4,056 Mega Baller
    You can fix just about anything with JB Weld. I have popped the front off a couple skis, including Senate C, but from a deepwater start gone bad. Hauling 250 lbs out of the water in double boots probably hits the load cell pretty hard.

    I would patch it or leave it alone, and wait for the 2011 Senate C. Major overhaul. Will probably turn better with tip out of the water, especially if you are a stay back skier.
  • eddie_roberts_jreddie_roberts_jr Posts: 450 Water Ski Industry Professional
    The MPD bottom graphic actually was production for the first year when we decided to add the C to the line. Dave - you are funny. BX - he is obviously being facetious but that's the way Horton says he skis. Hey - maybe we can build a whole ski out of JB Weld. Bite off more than you can chew - then chew like hell!
  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 2,323 Crazy Baller
    Not a ski fix, but a prevention of future problems.  Just try to be more patient in finishing the turn; let the ski come around before you load the line and be sure not to drop your shoulder into the turn.
    Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge
  • Nick SullivanNick Sullivan Posts: 676 Baller
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    Don't let Eddie discourage you. If you are hell bent on taking the tip off that ski, hang on and let the handle rip. You don't really use the tip for anything. Also, don't let the boat win that tug of war. You are much stronger than a 340 hp V8 with a 4 blade prop. Just hang on a bit longer or try clenchers.
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    Ah, thats funny.
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  • bxroadsbxroads Posts: 219
    And I wonder why my arms always hurt......
  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 2,632 Mega Baller
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    But dude you already have clinchers and a powervest Too!!! Hang on longer!!! Twangggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Are ya coming down to the south 40 this weekend ????
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    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


  • bxroadsbxroads Posts: 219
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    I'd love to come down tomorrow but Samantha has a game at 4pm about 60 miles north of me and you're about the same distance south, probably can't work it all in.  I'll have to ski my place.  I'll give you a shout.
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  • bxroadsbxroads Posts: 219
    I've not repaired it yet.  I purchased a used ski just like it.  When it gets here I'm going to take Eddie up on his offer for Radar to fix it. 

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