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How do you know your ski is set up properly?

aupatkingaupatking Posts: 1,662 Mega Baller
With several threads going on “setting your ski up for short line” or for the passes you can’t run, rather than the ones you can, how do you know that your ski is set up correctly? I’m trying the short/deep numbers on my 2020 Radar Vapor with CG fin and I’m struggling. Some of it is not getting enough water time right now, but with the change I made to fin, I’m wondering if some of my struggle is setup but I’m not wanting to chase it down the rabbit hole.
So, how do you know?
RazorRoss3Garn

Comments

  • jimskijimski Posts: 605 Crazy Baller
    A couple tings I look for when coaching is how flat the ski rides in the gate glide and if the skier is consistently breaking at the waste. Then adjust from there.
    MISkier
  • AndreAndre Posts: 1,660 Mega Baller
    edited April 2020
    @Chris Rossi Rossi had a short funny video a while back about how to know is your fin set up is right...
    It's on the web somewhere.
  • LOTWLOTW Posts: 238 Baller
    Go ski with Matt Rini.
    aupatkingschaferballsohard
  • thagerthager Posts: 5,312 Mega Baller
    @aupatking Set up your ski with the Radar fin. Fine tune it, then put the CG fin on and fine tune. I found the CG fin really hard to set up by itself as it took huge changes to feel anything. Just my .02$
    Stir vigorously then leave!
    aupatkingZmandbaconaz
  • thagerthager Posts: 5,312 Mega Baller
    @Horton You feeling OK? I'm worried!
    Stir vigorously then leave!
    rawlyZman
  • teammalibuteammalibu Posts: 1,097 Mega Baller
    I am running the CG fin on a 20 Vapor, 6.922 2.450 .750 and it seems to work well for me!
    Mike Erb Cedar Ridge Canton Miss.
    Horton is my hero
  • ZmanZman Posts: 1,789 Mega Baller
    edited April 2020
    @aupatking My Vapor PB is a 2019, so probably can't compare exactly. But, after seeing video, @Chris Rossi gave me 6.960, 2.457 and 0.765. This is just a little less long and a little more deep than factory Long-Shallow. This was with Radar fin. Those numbers helped. Then, I used the same numbers with CG fin, and have really liked that.
    adamhcaldwellaupatkingballsohard
  • ralral Posts: 1,889 Mega Baller
    edited April 2020
    First, you should define why are you struggling compared to the previous fin setting (e.g. too much ski in the water in your offside, or a similar one). Then adjust accordingly. Struggling as a generic term is not that useful.

    If you are not having enough time in the water, adjusting for PB line/the pass you cannot run does not seem that logical.

    To me at least, if you are starting with a new ski, IMHO it makes sense to use some magic numbers initially, then move from there. If you have been skiing consistently with a given fin setting, I believe it is not a good move to change it radically just because someone posted something that works for someone else. Every move in a fin setting needs to have an intention, and should be made with the understanding of what you are trying to achieve. If you move everything radically to a new set of numbers you see somewhere, you will lose all references.

    If someone like C. Rossi looks at you and suggests a setting radically different than the one you have, that is a completely different story, and you should follow.
    Rodrigo Andai
    aupatkingskialex
  • aupatkingaupatking Posts: 1,662 Mega Baller
    @ral good points made. I’ve been on the ski since last year, and running the Long/Shallow numbers. I really like it, but I just keep making school bus turns. I consistently run my 28’s but 32 isn’t falling. I’m trying to focus much more on technique. We all know it’s not the ski but, I want to try a fin change that can possibly help me with a tighter radius turn. Also, Trent talked about the feeling of less need to push the ski between him and the boat with S/D settings too, and I know from several good coaches I pull across the wake “like I’m trying to run 38 when (I’m) only skiing 28”. Seems like it would be well worth the testing for more reason than 1. It’s a throw-away season anyway. Maybe make some good progress
  • DeanoskiDeanoski Posts: 1,062 Crazy Baller
    edited April 2020
    The deep short settings make a smaller turn radius for me.

    some of the best skiers I know have been using the same or very close to the same # for years.



  • ZmanZman Posts: 1,789 Mega Baller
    edited April 2020
    @aupatking I really like what @AdamCord noted about setting up your ski first for creating space ahead of each buoy.
    I'm going to continue to focus on that. I feel like my current settings are pretty good for that, leaving further improvement up to my technique...the usual, arms low and close, alignment, quiet upper body, handle control to wide.
    As that improves, maybe I will make minor tweaks on settings to improve turns.
    With more space, maybe your turns won't need to be tighter. Just fun and controlled.
    Come ski sometime!
    aupatking
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