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Which Trick Ski / Binding

jjackkrashjjackkrash Posts: 828 Crazy Baller
I ran a search and found some useful info, but nothing all that recent. Its been a while since I've been on a trick ski, but I'd like to get back into it just for fun. I have a few older kidders with Wiley's trick wraps in the garage, but these are maybe 20 years old.

I'm 5'10", 200 lbs. right now. I am working on reducing the weight, but chances are I'll be heavier at the start of any season. I could be as high as 220. At 190 I'm about as lean as I'll ever get.

What brand should I look at?

Size?

Binding set up? (Do I really need a hard shell?)

Rubber or hard edge?

I probably won't ever try any tow tricks, at least not in the short term. I am too old and brittle for that.

Bonus points for what I should get my 12 going on 13 year old who has never been on one and is just learning the course. I think he's under 120 lbs. but growing.
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  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 3,123 Mega Baller
    44" Radar, D-3,Masterline or one of those 60" Goode trick skis.
    Keep your wiley binding, simple technology..
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


    jjackkrash
  • ntxntx Posts: 838 Crazy Baller
    Hard edge. Rubber edge designed for toe tricks
  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,978 Administrator

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  • Bruce_ButterfieldBruce_Butterfield Posts: 1,818 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    edited August 2020
    You want the biggest ski you can get. Unfortunately the biggest any reputable manufacturer makes is 44". You can draw straws for D3, Quantum or Radar and be happy with any of those. Hardedge for sure.

    Yes you want a hardshell. Both for better control and comfort. Reflex is the most common, but the new HO shell is really good. Shameless plug if you are RFF and size 10: https://www.ballofspray.com/forum#/discussion/24072/fs-new-syndicate-hardshell-right-10-11

    In an ideal world, you would put your son on a 43" or 44" with his own hardshell. However if his foot isn't too much smaller than your's and he is the same foot forward, you could easily share the same 44". An extra thick liner for him would probably bridge the foot size difference.
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  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 6,060 Mega Baller
    Is D3 still making the 45”Xt? I have a 45” Xt that I bought at least 10 years ago. Mine is a rubber edge which supposedly isn’t as good but I am not flipping and it seems fine for the basic wake tricks.

    If you are really going to ride it and practice go hard shell.

    Follow Bruce’s advice for your son. When my son was about 130 pounds we got him a 43” D3 hardedge and he is still using it now at 190 pounds and 8 years later. Using the same Reflex also we have just changed boot shells as he has grown.
    Mark Shaffer
    jjackkrash
  • jjackkrashjjackkrash Posts: 828 Crazy Baller
    With a hard shell, can we use the same mount and just switch boots? Or do we need two separate skis if are feet are significantly different size.
  • jjackkrashjjackkrash Posts: 828 Crazy Baller
    Actually, I'm LFF and he's RFF, so that's probably different skis anyway.
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 6,060 Mega Baller
    I have a trick where the rear binding was mounted with dual lock so you could flip it around. Until flipping and ski line tricks start that is plenty to hold the rear toe in place.
    Mark Shaffer
    jjackkrash
  • jjackkrashjjackkrash Posts: 828 Crazy Baller
    So, 44 for the boy as well?
  • StefanStefan Posts: 127 Baller

    54"
    ALPJr
  • jjackkrashjjackkrash Posts: 828 Crazy Baller
    54" seems pretty extreme compared to 44", is that really the way to go? Am I that fat?
  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,978 Administrator
    edited August 2020
    The 54" Goode trick ski is AMAZING as long as keep two feet in the ski. NO TOE TRICKS or line tricks (if anyone besides me does them anymore).

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  • StefanStefan Posts: 127 Baller
    @jjackkrash just wanted to show there was a larger alternative, sorry
  • jjackkrashjjackkrash Posts: 828 Crazy Baller
    edited August 2020
    @Stefan, no, I am not sensitive, I was just commenting that its a lot bigger. Any input is appreciated and feel free to make fun of me as well.
  • jjackkrashjjackkrash Posts: 828 Crazy Baller
    @Horton, so a Goode for me and a 43" or 44" Radar for the boy might be a good direction? As cool as line tricks are, I don't see me getting to that level. I don't think I ever broke 1600 points in college.
    Horton
  • unksskisunksskis Posts: 535 Crazy Baller
    edited August 2020
    42" for your son imo. Guys 170lbs are riding a 42" over the 43" Radar. I thought I wanted a 43" but was talked into the 42" being easier to manage overall, I'm 170lbs. You'll be able to sell it if needing to move larger.

    Bindings I would go with an HO Animal or Wiley's tricker to start out with, hard shell's aren't necessary.
  • gsm_petergsm_peter Posts: 800 Crazy Baller
    Fwiw
    Base skis will produce trick skis next year.
    There will be both fiber glas and carbon versions.
    (Their slalom skis are great value).
    Life is too short not to enjoy every day!
  • jjackkrashjjackkrash Posts: 828 Crazy Baller
    If I order the big Goode, what needs to happen to get a binding on it. Will the HO hard shell just fit on it? Or do you need to drill or modify it?

    I'd like to go through Wileys for everything I can, and they carry the HO hard shells.

    It also sounds like Radar is out of 42-44 (and maybe clearing the way for next years trick skis).
  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,978 Administrator
    @gsm_peter Who???

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  • HallpassHallpass Posts: 216 Crazy Baller
    @jjackkrash. The Goode has standard inserts in the board. Bolts right on for Wiley's or Reflex. I did not inquire about the HO. Back binding fits D3 or Wiley's trick toe piece. They sell a back through Goode, but it looks like a Wiley's to me.
    jjackkrash
  • gsm_petergsm_peter Posts: 800 Crazy Baller
    Life is too short not to enjoy every day!
  • jjackkrashjjackkrash Posts: 828 Crazy Baller
    I am leaning towards a 44" Radar for me and a 42" for my boy with HO bindings, unless anyone wants to talk me out of this, or talk me into buying that big 54" Goode trick ski for me. I don't know enough to feel strongly about it, but I can get the new 2021 Radar tricks right now from a dealer I like buying from.

    Thanks for all the input.

  • Bruce_ButterfieldBruce_Butterfield Posts: 1,818 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    edited August 2020
    Go at least 43 for your son. Bigger is better to learn, so in a perfect world he should start on a 44 until he's tricking over 1000pts or so, then the 43 would be right. 42 is workable but will be harder and less forgiving.

    You won't be sorry if you get a hardshell, at least for your son.
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    jjackkrashChef23
  • jjackkrashjjackkrash Posts: 828 Crazy Baller
    @Bruce_Butterfield, I could go 44 for the boy; @unksskis says 42 and seems like he has a point. But my preference is to make it fun and easy for him and it sounds like 44" does that best, if I'm hearing right. I don't mind selling it later if he improves.
    Bruce_Butterfield
  • Bruce_ButterfieldBruce_Butterfield Posts: 1,818 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    Yes, I think that's a better plan. He will likely grow into the 44.

    FWIW, my son is 18 and 170lbs. I just moved him from a 43 to 44 this spring to help with flips and it made a noticeable difference - easier to get air and easier to recover from mistakes. He still uses a 42 for toes. The advantage there is he can turn the smaller ski really fast and he's really stable on toes. His run is just over 6000.
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  • unksskisunksskis Posts: 535 Crazy Baller
    Your son's back leg shin will be sorry you got a hardshell, especially if he is just learning.
    schafer
  • jjackkrashjjackkrash Posts: 828 Crazy Baller
    @unksskis, Wiley's trick wraps is your recommendation? (I hate Animals so I am not going there). Would the Radar bindings work for tricks? He loves his Vector binding for slalom, but I am not sure those would work for trick.
  • unksskisunksskis Posts: 535 Crazy Baller
    I have an Animal on one, and the Wiley's Trick on another. Tried a Radar Vapor but it didn't feel right for my tricking, although it was comfortable and got the job done. The top seeded M3 tricker, Benny Lohr, was on D3 T-Factors at least for his hand pass. I think it's all a personal preference obviously, so wouldn't hurt to try the Vectors, although I personally wouldn't want an open toe boot, it would be worth a try. Wiley's will be tight, and likely need soap to get in, so may want to factor that in.
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 6,060 Mega Baller
    My son has been tricking on a Reflex for more than 10 years and hasn’t had an issue with banging his back shin. He is only about a 2,000 point tricker but has taken plenty of falls.
    Mark Shaffer
    unksskis
  • jjackkrashjjackkrash Posts: 828 Crazy Baller
    So, Radar only makes 43"ers and they are in stock right now available for pickup tomorrow. I am probably going that route for me and the boy. I am going to have him try on some different bindings tomorrow then make a decision. Thanks for all the input.
    unksskis
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