MasterCraft signs exclusive deal with ilmor

MCskiFreakMCskiFreak Posts: 327 Baller
edited November 2010 in Technique & Theory
Looks like MasterCraft is now only going to offer ilmor engines for 2012. Any one know some more info about this deal? <a href="http://www.sbcwakeboard.com/headlines_article?news_id=578&uniqid=193">http://www.sbcwakeboard.com/headlines_article?news_id=578&uniqid=193</a>
Matt Welton - Resident boat nerd

Comments

  • scokescoke Posts: 644 Solid Baller
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    news like this needs to be on the backpage
    </p>
  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 6,028
    Penske is famous for his Business to Business relationships, so I'm surprised that it took this long for MC to start using Ilmor exclusively.  That said, I've worked in auto racing where we've seen Ilmor engines frequently and I've never heard an Arca or Baja team who used them complain.   
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • boarditupboarditup Posts: 584 Crazy Baller
    Maybe even a remote oil filter?  Indmar never got user friendly...
    Karl DeLooff - Powered by the wind
  • KelvinKelvin Posts: 1,138 Mega Baller
    <p>
    Maybe the Indmar oil filter isn't user friendly, but changing the impeller sure is, especially when compared to PCM.
    </p>
    Kelvin Kelm, Lakes of Katy, Katy Texas
  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 2,633 Mega Baller
    Kelvin, My record for changing out a PCM impeller on a serpintine motor (Direct Drive) is 2 min 31 sec.
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


  • slowslow Posts: 348 Solid Baller
    It's a treat changing the impeller out of a gt-40.
  • east tx skiereast tx skier Posts: 595 Solid Baller
    Agreed.  Getting to view the Johnson impeller in an Indmar is super easy.  Getting it out can be bit tricky.  With the PCM, getting the pump off takes a bit longer than removing the plate, but once it is, getting the impeller out is a no brainer.
    Perpetual Longline Baller. Tyler Ski Club, Tyler, Texas.
    My real name is in my profile.

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  • AndreAndre Posts: 1,184 Crazy Baller
    <p>
    "...Getting the impeller out is a no brainer."
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    That's a good thing for a lawyer!
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    Wanna buy foam noodles as sub bouys?<img src="/vanillaforum/js/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />
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  • <p>
    15 minutes on a gt40 impeller (taking your time, four bolts). Whatever.
    </p>
  • skibugskibug Posts: 2,029
    So, B2B should make it a less expensive product?  NOT!
    Bob Grizzi
  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 6,028
    No, B2B within like-owned entities is never to make a less expensive product to the end user. It's generally used to increase scalability and lower cost to the company selling the products. And to ensure jobs for the company producing one of the products.  Ilmor has 250 people that between the MC deal and their new deal with GM on Indy racing are now ensured jobs. 
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • Razorskier1Razorskier1 Posts: 3,425 Mega Baller
    I have talked to both MC dealers and MC mechanics on this.  Dealers say it's the best thing ever.  Mechanics not so sure.  I've heard that they idle rough, cough and spit.  Also that they are more difficult to work on in a number of ways, not just the impeller.  I believe the oil filter is on top, but the "catch" around it isn't sufficient to keep from making a mess.  Also some issues with the distributor, I believe, which is a design change from the Indmars.  Also, for reasons I can't explain, Ilmoor isn't horsepower rating the motors.  I asked and the dealer said they don't want to get into that game, and that Indmar and others all overstate their horsepower anyway.  All seems a bit odd, but I have to imagine that they get the bugs worked out and eventually it is as good an engine as the others out there.
    Jim Ross
  • MCskiFreakMCskiFreak Posts: 327 Baller
    They do list a power output its just listed as kilowatts. To convert to the number of horsepower, you just need to multiply the output in kilowatts by 1.341, this gives the horsepower. From what ive heard these motors are close as far as power output, but are supposed to have significantly more torque then the equivalent INmar motor.
    Matt Welton - Resident boat nerd
  • east tx skiereast tx skier Posts: 595 Solid Baller
    Roughly 5 or so hp over Indmar.  And according to Indmar, they don't publish hp either, they let the dealers do it.  I know of at least one instance when an 08 MCX was dyno'd and came out around 39 horses shy of the published number (and that's not considering the exhaust tips they were using that year.
    Perpetual Longline Baller. Tyler Ski Club, Tyler, Texas.
    My real name is in my profile.

    www.tylerskiclub.com
  • 6balls6balls Posts: 5,041 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    <p>
    HP rating certainly isn't everything, either.  Razor has the MCX in his boat, another buddy has the 6.0 Caddy in same hull.  The MCX feels significantly snappier despite lower HP rating...I can only conclude better torque curve in the MCX for both hole shot and accel to slalom speed.  I guess I didn't check to see the potential prop differences.
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    <p>
    In the end, I can't think motor manufacturer changes are going to do much to advance the overall product.  Which motor is in any of the big 3 boats is about my last concern on the starting dock...all plenty strong.  If a change allowed for less cost that was then passed onto the consumer via lower price...then it would be worth it. 
    </p>
    Dave Ross--die cancer die
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    Funny - I did not post this to the front page because I thought no one cared about this
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    So in 2012, each of the big three will be using a different
    company to marinze their respective motors. I am always a fan of competition,
    so hopefully this will keep price competitive and improve features! I have only
    had Indmar Motors though in my boats.
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    88 Mastercraft Powerslot 351 Carb
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    98 Moomba 350 Carb 310 HP
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    99 Mastercraft SportStar 350 EFI 310 HP
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    Neither Indmar nor Ilmor rate the horsepower of their engines publicly. They give the dyno data to the boat manufacturer and they market the engine at the horsepower that they want within a range of +/- 10%.
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    <p>
    This was verified by an Indmar emplyee that posts on the Mastercraft teamtalk site.
    </p>

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