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Hole pattern dilemma

DyscoDysco Posts: 57 Baller
I bought some new radar bindings (flex frame) for my D3 last summer and liked them very much. My '13 Strada's Strada bindings (aluminum frame) were also in need of updating. I recently found a killer deal on closeout Vectors ($50 each!) and bought them. My issue is the rear holes don't match up at all and are actually completely covered. If I rotate to expose one hole, the plate is passed the edge of the ski. I know I can drill, but if I adjust the front at all to adjust to the new bindings, then it's even more drilling. Not sure what to do here. Thoughts?


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  • skialexskialex Posts: 1,200 Mega Baller
    You have to slot the holes even slightly. Rear Feather frames can only be turned very little, whereas the aluminum one can be turned a lot more and you can also turn the boot on the plate...
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 4,620 Mega Baller
    Buy a radar sequence plate - makes the whole switching ski game much easier.
  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 6,132 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    The feather frame won’t come off the boot like the aluminum frame. Just drill the holes in the frame where you need them and screw them down.
    Shut up and ski
    DyscoaupatkingMDB1056DaveD
  • rbuss4rbuss4 Posts: 26 Baller
    What @The_MS said. I have had to do this multiple times
    Dyscoaupatking
  • DyscoDysco Posts: 57 Baller
    Ok. Drilling the plate is probable. Last thought, drill new holes in the ski with inserts for a better option and varieties of binding placement? I've got 14" of ice here, so I have some time.
  • mike_mapplemike_mapple Posts: 176 Water Ski Industry Professional
    I know the feather frame boots are only meant to fit on the Radar Skis, but have not run into them not fitting maybe @brooks might have some insight for you.
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  • rbuss4rbuss4 Posts: 26 Baller
    Vector rear did not fit the holes on my Senate Pro build that I bought last fall. same with RTP on my kid's Vapor Lithium. Seems Radar hole patterns are not standard
  • RAWSkiRAWSki Posts: 806 Mega Baller
    Radar changed their 4 rear insert pattern about 5 years ago to handle the feather frames.
    They state FF only fit Radar skis from a certain year forward. I have put them on new Goodes without issue but have had to enlarge a 1-2 of rear holes to make my wife's fit her skis. Super easy to do, the radar screws have large heads that provide a secure hold.
  • ALPJrALPJr Posts: 2,436 Mega Baller
    Off topic... a while back there was a thread that asked the question... why isn’t there an industry standard for hole patterns?
    Rednucleus
  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 6,132 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    If I was making and selling bindings, I would make sure it fit all hole patterns. I would have slots running the length of the plate and put a Mikro-just on each one.
    Simple and a money maker.
    Shut up and ski
    ALPJrjriester33RednucleusMDB1056
  • DyscoDysco Posts: 57 Baller
    @RAWSki Seems like an odd situation as FF fit on my D3. But, as mentioned above, clearance bindings - so drilling a few sets of holes hopefully isn't a strength issue, it does appear that I'll have to drill directly through the "seam" on the back of the plate where it goes from thicker material to thinner.
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 4,620 Mega Baller
    The fronts are all the same and have been a number of years. My last that wasn't was a Connelly F3 around 2000.
  • RAWSkiRAWSki Posts: 806 Mega Baller
    @Dysco below is a note you will find on line from a lot of ski shops. (This one was WakeHouse) We have also learned that the small rear FF don't fit on many other brands because the plate is too short and won't reach the back holes. (Radar includes two extra) On the bright side I have gotten pretty good at installing extra inserts.

    ***Radar Feather Frame FRONT Bindings are built to mount to most manufacturers skis. REAR Feather Frame Bindings will only mount to 2011 and newer Radar Skis.***

  • DavidNDavidN Posts: 507 Crazy Baller
    As much as I like Radar bindings (and their stuff and their support and all), the Feather Frame never made sense to me.
  • DyscoDysco Posts: 57 Baller
    @RAWSki this is a 2013. Size XL 2018 bindings.
  • DyscoDysco Posts: 57 Baller
    Well, some good info. Prior to breaking out the drill bits this morning after reading a few more replies, I decided to contact Radar.
    It was said drilling new holes and inserts is preferred to drilling the plate (in the locations I would have needed to). The ski strength should not be affected.
    So that's the plan moving forward.
    Hallpass
  • buoyboy1buoyboy1 Posts: 131 Baller
    edited January 29
    @Dysco - I am a bit surprised they said the ski strength would not be affected. Any time I had a ski break or saw a broken ski, the crack always propagated through the inserts. Not sure how close new inserts will be from the existing ones but I would want to drill through the plate instead of the ski. (Less expensive to replace).
    rbuss4
  • DyscoDysco Posts: 57 Baller
    @bouyboy1 I thought similarly. I triple checked in my conversation. They had photos and measurements of the holes and said drilling through the plate would be more of a strength/failure risk. Certainly interesting, but they probably have some experience with this one.
  • skialexskialex Posts: 1,200 Mega Baller
    edited January 29
    https://us.v-cdn.net/5017617/uploads/editor/ir/ot1cer5mwo07.jpg

    Get one of these... it will strengthen your plate, or fabricate one yourself out of an old plate..
    Dysco
  • HallpassHallpass Posts: 223 Crazy Baller
    edited January 30
    Really interesting! Seems so counterintuitive. That's why they are the experts.

  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 4,620 Mega Baller
    edited January 30
    @Hallpass I've put 2 to 4 new inserts in every ski I've had for years. Put 10 in a goode. Every backcountry ski I set up gets drilled and quiverkillered.

    My old nomad with 4 extra inserts skied that ski 6 seasons no failures.








    I think what is interesting is Radar saying to drill not send it to them.

    Hallpass
  • DyscoDysco Posts: 57 Baller
    @BraceMaker they did suggest that I send it to them. I was a downhill ski tech for 4 years and put in hundreds of inserts. We talked it over and they are sending me inserts and I will take care of it.
    RAWSkiskialexBraceMaker
  • aupatkingaupatking Posts: 1,626 Mega Baller
    I’ve seen it multiple times, the feather frame not fitting on Radar skis. Odd design. My ski partner blows through Radar ARTP’s pretty quick. He loves them, but I’ve never seen someone who takes care of his equipment wear things out as fast as him. And to be clear, I’ve seen him burn through most of the big brands, not just Radar. He drills holes in the ARTP plate and has never had one fail. I’m with the other guys, I wouldn’t drill my ski. If it’s that much of a concern, send the Feather Frame back and get the Aluminum frame. It will definitely fit.
    skialex
  • skialexskialex Posts: 1,200 Mega Baller
    It’s so much easier to reinforce the rear plastic with wider washers or a small metal sheet than drilling the ski... but then again it’s an old ski, so since you have the knowledge to do it right... do as you like.
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