An old small injury a deal-breaker for competitive skiing ?

swbca

Starting at square one1 with resuming skiing after a several decade gap requires a lot of financial investment and preparation. So having some small thing cause a failure in this initiative is a big deal.

Has anyone experienced this ? . . . While free skiing in cold weather many years ago when I wasn't active in the sport, I ripped a muscle or tendon related to bicep. It took months to heal and never thought about it again or skied with force again. Now when I am working out, I am forced to stop short on many resistance workout activities because that very old injury feels like it is going to tear. It natural to be concerned that this injury may prevent competitive skiing for obvious reasons . . . biceps are developed and used to human limits with competitive slalom.

So, has anyone learned anything about sports medicine from their own experience that could provide some insight into this concern, or how to prevent it from becoming the deal-breaker on 'day-1' ?

I would like to hear that old muscle or tendon injuries can be overcome with physical training, but I don't know if that's true.

Than_Bogan

Get to a good PT ASAP to get an intelligent diagnosis and plan.

@MikeT suffered a full detachment of one his biceps, and after some retraining of muscles around there, he returned to running -38 occasionally. This injury is moderately common in several sports. I'm not saying you have that or a precursor to it, but rather pointing that water skiing can be done very successfully with some compromised function of certain biceps muscles.

Now get to that PT!

scoke

And so it begins. The doubt is creeping in.

Before you get deeper, it could be a good time to walk away.

OR

Ask yourself a deep seated question, “why am I doing this?”

If not, come June when you still have not run a single pass behind a 6.2l 409 hp modern zero off boat, youre frustrated and ready to quit, then answering the question will be only way to really push through.

Otherwise, it’s going to be a very long painful, disappointing floundering season.

Could be time to take up golf or something else!!

VONMAN

Been their, done that. In 2003 I had the left shoulder repaired and the bicep reattached, six months later I was back skiing. In 2009 I had the right shoulder repaired, again six months later, back skiing. It took a full year to get full muscle mass back. 2021 still skiing at the age of 70. It can be done but "A man has to know His Limitations".

dbutcher

I claim no expertise, but always having my arms straight when trying to accelerate (or any load against the boat) helps me when I have sore arm muscles.

jcamp

@scoke taking his trolling to the next level ...

@swbca most people in this sport are really great, and while I can't speak for anybody else, I think it is awesome that you are taking this on. Welcome back and the best of luck!

Bruce_Butterfield

@scoke I can't wait until you get old!

@swbca there are many different types of bicep and tendon injuries. Muscles can generally be worked through or will heal on their own. Tendons may need a good diagnosis to determine your risk. It would probably be a good idea to see a good shoulder orthopedic doc to see what is going on and if its anything to worry about or something that can be fixed.

When it comes to getting advice on the internet, you get what you pay for:)

Kelvin

There's a guy I ski with on occasion that put his arm through the handle while skiing. His bicep detached from the shoulder. Due to a delayed diagnosis, he ended up loosing most of his bicep completely. Continued to ski for many years into 38/39 off. You don't really need a bicep to ski.

lpskier

1. Go get it checked out by a orthopedic doctor. He’ll order an MRI and you’ll know what you’re facing. I’d keep going to the gym. Both my shoulders have been repaired and I’m less than 100%, but I go as hard as I’m able.
2. Check out a Goode Power Vest. It will take the load off your arms and shoulders and move it to your back.

Stevie Boy

Look up Aiden Willis if you need inspiration, super guy, super skier, if you can impress the G.O.A.T you have the ultimate respect.
Possibly who @Kelvin is referring to., he died twice on the operating table, all because the medical services took too long to respond.
He was Building docks for people, in Florida, not sure where he is at, right now ?

ALPJr

See your primary doctor about it then go from there. Meantime take it easy on that muscle and try to stay positive.

VONMAN

@dbutcher You are right on about straight arms. It only took me 15 years to figure that one out. Pylons, ropes and Handles had nothing on me. After my first surgery I learned the meaning of a smooth hookup to the boat with straight arms. No more Greatest Hits.

markn

@Stevie Boy You are right about Aiden Willers. He and his crew are currently rebuilding our dock/boathouse in Clermont, FL. Guy is amazing. He told me after his major injury, he worked back to running 38 off @ 34 mph. Pretty cool too. I pulled out my old hollow AM-33 to show him and he remembered making my serial # 00018 ski.
If anyone in or around Orlando needs dock/boathouse work done, there is none better Aiden. He and his crew do absolutely amazing, quality work.

ScottScott

Aiden basically has no bicep on that arm, but the biggest issue it had with his skiing was his grip. So he came up with a hook and a handle with the rope attached in the middle instead of one side. I've seen him ski through 35 off and he looked great

swbca

@dbutcher @VONMAN The straight-arm approach sounds like a good way to prevent an injury. I'll include that when I am figuring out how to ski without wrecking something.
Thanks

MAG

I am a M8 avid course skier, occasional competitor over the past 55 yrs, and family physician.
I try to ski safe and have needed to adapt to multiple disabilities.


1. see a sports med physician and sports PT for a current diagnosis and strengthening program.

2. the biceps not only flexes the elbow it is a strong supinator (rotation to palm up position). If loading the bicep causes discomfort or "doubt" (which is just a bad) then placing that hand in the palm down grip will lessen the load.

3.The Goode Powervest will definitely protect the shoulders, biceps, neck and back. I have used these since their inception. My current vests are highly modified for weight reduction and to allow the power plate and straps to be used with any vest. A power vest will not make anyone a better skier but in my case is keeping me competitive.

4. Bones over biceps, good stack position = less stress

5. Fear = failure

jjackkrash

If your tore/separated a bicep tendon you probably needed surgery to repair it. The good news is you probably won't make it worse because separated is separated. If you can ski, go ski. And, ya, it would probably be a good idea to have an ortho look at it just in case there is anything that can still be done.

swbca

@MAG you said "placing that hand in the palm down grip will lessen the load (on the bicep)" There were a couple of recent threads on this forum about the 'right and wrong' way to grip the handle based on foot forward position. I have already started training for right-palm down because I know I had been gripping wrong for best performance. Now you say it will help 'medically' as well. You made my day ! I will follow up on your other suggestions as well . . also mentioned by others on this thread. Thanks.

The forum is a great resource so thanks to everyone !

eyepeeler

For me, "Your success and your happiness begin with your health". In order to ski well you must have good to excellent health. I consider a bicep injury not a small injury but a decent injury. We use our biceps everyday for many activities. I for one, wouldn't ski unless my bicep felt perfect every ski ride. I wouldn't want to cause further or even permanent injury to the bicep.

Jody_Seal

Many of "us" skiers have bicep' torn . Popeye look. The girls love it!
When mine dislodged i got a lot of relief from chronic shoulder pain.
I guarded it when I skied for about 3 months.

mike_mapple

ive pulled aiden skiing multiple times, its incredible. The biggest thing my Dad always told me was once you are worried about injury to the point you doubt yourself its time to walk away...hence me stopping skiing, had a really bad crash when I first jumped up to 36mph, after that crash I have not attempted another tournament, or gone 36. If it is a tear, when you free ski does it hurt?

ForrestGump

If the bicep is effecting your skiing, I'd venture to say you're doing it wrong.

MZito

Just had surgery 2 days ago. I completely ruptured the distal bicep tendon playing hockey. Ortho sports physician reset the tendon with 2 good anchor points. He is telling me no skiing this season...all I have to do is rehab!!

scoke

Time flies when you’re having fun.

Looks like Men’s 9 nationals is only 4 weeks away!!

Which boat did you draw for your division? What had been your favorite boat this season?

@swbca

Gloersen

speaking of aging, injuries, and Nats; personally I'd have to resort to the Marley technique to qualify...at the 9:30 mark

Vernon Reeve

I've torn my hamstrings, and the PT used the Graston technique to break up the old scar tissue which allows the muscle to heal back to normal. The scar tissue is what's making the muscle weak. Muscles have enough blood that they should be able to fully heal.
I've also gotten Prolozone shots for tendon repairs, since they don't have much blood, and need extra fluids to help them heal. Worked great on my lower back on my right side where I'd slightly torn a tendon.

Cam

@scoke

RichardDoane

resist the urge to "Ski-Fly" the guy

scoke

@Cam
this would be more appropriate!

What's a shame is most people lie to themselves. Those types of folks gave my original predictive post a down vote, dislike, WTF. And now it seems my post was correct. But unfortunately the site administrator has turned off the feature to see who downvoted etc. Shame too!

scoke

This post brought to you by me trying to react to my own post, 4 times. I was laughing at the gifs and tried to: heart, upvote, awesome and insightful. System didn't like that.