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SkiPath (Boat Path Monitoring System) Introduction

HortonHorton Posts: 30,403 Administrator
edited March 19 in Videos, Photos & Media


https://skipath.ca/

This thread is about SkiPath. If you want to talk about the other system please start a different thread.

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  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,577 Mega Baller
    What’s the set up cost @Horton ?
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 30,403 Administrator
    @RichardDoane depends on how you can figure your system https://skipath.ca/

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  • MichaelWiebeMichaelWiebe Posts: 109 Baller
    Does anyone rent out such a system, for the course calibration feature?
    We calibrate a shallow water anchor course every few years, with a portable. It's a large pain. This electronic system would be simpler and more accurate.
    Thanks.
  • PatMPatM Posts: 792 Crazy Baller
    @Horton Do you map the course similarly to ZO? And is it a permanent record for future survey purposes?
  • HortonHorton Posts: 30,403 Administrator
    edited March 21
    @PatM Eventually I will make a video about mapping the system.
    It is pretty simple. You simply place the Rover GPS puck on top each of the 4 entry and exit gates, one at a time, and record the position in the app. With two people it takes 5 minutes +/- and then it is stored in the app until you move the course or move the base station.

    FYI in the video at the top of this thread you see my quick / temporary install. It should be noted the PCV pipe I used was moving in the wind so that install was only accurate when the wind was near zero. Not really a good solution. Since them I did a permanent install at my lake with a fence post.

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 30,403 Administrator
    edited March 21
    here is my permanent installation. I will have solar power that battery this week.


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  • keithh2oskierkeithh2oskier Posts: 679 Crazy Baller
    I know rain is limited in CA. But do you need to cover it up from the elements?
  • StrokerABStrokerAB Posts: 1 New Baller
    Using SkiPath at Predator Bay Waterski Club Calgary, we ran it at the end of our season for about a month with no difficulties. Easy to set up, survey of course easy, and great tool for our boat drivers. Great technical assistance from SkiPath, easy guys to get hold of and this is built right here in Canada. Glad to see the system get some more publicity in the USA.
    Horton
  • HortonHorton Posts: 30,403 Administrator
    edited March 21
    here is a Sure-Path vs SkPath comparison. my guess is that a lot of the Delta between these numbers is in the survey method. I confess that I think the SkiPath survey I did was probably slightly more meticulous than the SurePath survey. I need to just get off my butt and carefully resurvey Sure-Path.


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  • LK_skierLK_skier Posts: 64 Baller
    Does ski path allow you to use your own device? As in are you able to download the app to your own tablet or phone? And ski path not needing a cellular connection might attract more people to it.
    ski6jones
  • RAWSkiRAWSki Posts: 804 Mega Baller
    Looks really good. BUT ....(dating myself) Why do I fear another Perfect Pass v AccuSki scenario here.
    AWSA seems to have already "hitched their wagon" to SurePath??
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,577 Mega Baller
    $2800 + shipping & tax, and it doesn’t work on an iPhone.
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  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 3,243 Mega Baller

    Man! I would hate that! Not available for i phone. But look! You get a cool fire pad to interact with. Bigger then a i phone....
    I think i am more intrigued with the more real time information that the ski path has and how it displays it. I forsee a heads up windscreen display in the real future...
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


  • HortonHorton Posts: 30,403 Administrator
    @RichardDoane both of the available BPMS come with Android devices. I don't believe any of them are compatible with Apple but it doesn't matter because a device is included with the package.

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  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,577 Mega Baller
    I guess if the lake owner is paying, or a club, then I’d be glad to use it. But my personal preference is to have a driver that knows how to be centered without a crutch.
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  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 3,243 Mega Baller
    @RichardDoane finally!!! You are the hero of the day !
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


    RichardDoane
  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 3,243 Mega Baller
    I can hear it now ! I can only practice with a boat path moniter ! Or i can't be competitive with out a boat path monitor..

    Did yall know that "Rankings List" is mentioned or referred too 15 times of the first 5 pages of the new rule book?
    Competition mentioned??? Once maybe!
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


  • skierjpskierjp Posts: 972 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Isn’t Sure Path the only approved system by AWSA?
  • MichaelWiebeMichaelWiebe Posts: 109 Baller
    The standard keeps going up. That's a fact of life at work..... greater productivity, higher quality, lower thoughput time, greater OTIF (on time in full), an even better value proposition, a lower cost price, a lower sell price, more revenue, more profit. And on and on.
    Even in healthcare, we hope for shorter wait times, a greater life expectancy, and lower prices.
    It's a fact of life..... the standards keep going up. Continuous improvement. In water skiing too. All good and right. Let's embrace it. It makes us all even better, since that's exactly what we all want too.... a higher buoy count.

    HortonGWaterski
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,577 Mega Baller
    @Horton I'm not a naysayer, just pointing out that it's an expensive gadget that isn't absolutely necessary. When's the last time you sat at the end of the lake and watched a driver pull up a skier, go around the island, set up for the course, keep the boat straight, and then properly drop the skier for the next pass. There's a lot more to driving than just the median point of center at a bunch of fixed locations.
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  • LK_skierLK_skier Posts: 64 Baller
    I’d say these systems make the jump from being an ok driver to a good driver 100 times faster and easier. It has for me. Now to go from good to great could take a little longer but still much easier watching it back at each end. I think it will be an eye opener for the part time drivers at amateur comps when this comes in.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 30,403 Administrator
    edited March 23
    @RichardDoane and I agree just like zero off isn't necessary.

    For driving practice this system certainly is not truly necessary. A decent spotter can center a decent driver in any boat. But I got to tell you having the data on the screen is a hell lot better.

    For tournaments, the system will soon simply replace video both path and maybe it'll cost a little more but it's so much more simple and so much dramatically better that I don't think anybody's going to notice the cost.

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  • RAWSkiRAWSki Posts: 804 Mega Baller
    As much as I understand how people don't want "added complexity". I also see the other side. Cruise control wasn't immediately embraced. Hopefully now----- gone will be the days when a record takes weeks to be verified by uploaded boat path video reviews.
    Ski well -- drive straight, or the other way around.
    HortonChad_Scott
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,577 Mega Baller
    @horton - ZO is totally necessary, just like PP was when it came onto the scene. Hopefully the boat path monitoring systems will become less expensive over time like big screen tv's did
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  • aupatkingaupatking Posts: 1,625 Mega Baller
    Is there a French version?
  • HortonHorton Posts: 30,403 Administrator
    @aupatking there was but they lost the video tape

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