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# Rule Proposal "Opt Down"

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Horton, Lynda probably calls your wife and they discuss your dumbness regularly.
Shane "Crash" Hill

@ForrestGump I'm super grateful they have never met

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edited August 24
When tournaments are scheduled a time factor of 6 min a skier is pretty much the standard time frame utilized.
Basically each slalom skier should be alloted that 6 min per round

Suggested rule: 4 pass max.
The boat shall go down and back through the course twice for each skier. (That's down and back twice that equals 4 passes..).
Skier has the option to start their round at any end and at any speed at any line length and on any of the 4 passes alloted to the skier. The first scoring pass will consist first difinitive attempt at entry gate and subsequential start of scoring as per gate rules.
All fall rules are in effect. Another words don't fall down when you are warming up. All other rope shorting and speed rules apply for scoring

Rational: my self and like many other skiers attend and enter and pay for that 6 min! Miss first pass pay dearly. Most skiers Don't have but three passes anyway.
A way to get more for what we pay for, the
Skiers as a whole will benefit from a 4 pass event. Gives those that can utilize a familiarization.
Open/ pro divisions could also put some excitement in their events with a 4 pass max rule.

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Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.

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The only thing worse than practicing 28off is practicing when the wind is over 5mph.
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@bigtex2011 I am 10000000% in!!!
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edited August 25
I think @horton is suggesting something that might get me to participate in a few tournaments each year. I can't stand 15off or skiing at 32mph, and don't consistently run 28off. That means a 22 opener and miss my 28off. Down and back. Last tournament I skied, I told the guy skiing after me to get his ski on, I'd be right back.

I think John's suggestion needs some refinement to make everyone happy. How about allowing skiers to run their opener twice as long as they don't fall, but then they are limited to 4 passes, even if they complete their last pass? Maybe not for and L or R, but at least allow this at a C.

I do agree that "opting down" is a silly suggestion.
• Posts: 1,091 Mega Baller
I could live with 4 passes guaranteed IF you fall or miss before 4 passes are up...I mean, @The Wood we always allow the skier to ski back to the dock if they miss going away anyway, so could be 2,4,6,8 passes total...some other sites in the SC region do this also...
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In several of my best tournament performances I completed 5 full passes and started on pass #6. Yeah, I'm old school, but skiing more passes rather than fewer will get higher scores.
I'm Ancient. WTH do I know?
@JackQ a wise man once told me that my gate at 28 has nothing to do with my gate at 38 so why do I practice my gate at 28 every ride?

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• Posts: 1,091 Mega Baller
@Horton off topic but I think that "wise man" isn't so wise, why would your mechanics at any gate change? I mean that's like saying why practice at 28 or 32 at all when you wanna run 38 or 39, I mean if your gates or skiing at all sucks at 28/32 you sure as heck ain't gonna have a good foundation for 38
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@Horton
MS does 2 32’s to warm up in practice 😉
Every time
I ski for fun, just the wife!
@jayski
The forces at 28 are nothing like the forces at 38. That 10 feet of rope makes a huge difference. I try to spend as much time as I can on the shortest rope that I can run smoothly.

FYI that wise man recently sold his house in Bossier City and moved to Arkansas.

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I strongly believe that the forces at 28 and 38 @34 MPH are much more similar than the ones at 32 and 41 at 36 MPH. But maybe just my impression.
Rodrigo Andai
• Posts: 457 Open or Level 9 Skier
@Horton, We differ on philosophies. I adhere to what Andy Mapple told me to do, make all your passes the same as much as possible. Use the same cues for pull outs, etc, etc. Even so at least 28 gives you a warm up, get a feel for the lineups, winds etc. Different strokes for different folks. If 28 bothers you just start at 32, you need to have at least two starting passes to be able to react to the conditions, anyway.
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If the forces are different between 28&38 I’m confused why you’d practice anything but 38 all the time. Just put the rope on the purple loop and do it until it becomes automatic. Why even mess with anything else that might mess up your timing? <\end sarcasm font>
Keith Lindemulder
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Whats the 32 off at 32mph worth score wise?
>>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
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Same as 28 off at 34.2.
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@Horton watching that "wise man" form the boat many times, mechanically and technically he was the same at 28 and 38, intensity was different
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edited August 26
Scoring for 32 off at 32 MPH if top speed is 34.2 MPH is not @ 28 off but @ 15 off, at least as per IWWF rules. @klindy should know if it is different in AWSA’s rules.
Rodrigo Andai
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Pretty sure in IWWF you have to go to max speed before shortening which is why the point difference. IWWF, If you have max speed of 34mph, and shorten at 32mph the point value of any shortening would be same as 15 off at 32mph? Or is it just moot because it can't be done?

AWSA is a 6 point increase of each step faster or shorter. So 32off at 32mph scores same as 28off 34mph.

AWSA zero based scoring

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@ScottScott , you can shorten up before max speed as per IWWF rules (8.01), but you are scored at 18.25m until max speed, regardless of the line length. Skiers lower speed to avoid starting at longer lines, but are scored as if they were.
Rodrigo Andai
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edited August 26
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@ral IWWF has experimented with something like ZBS for Women's 45+

Not sure how it went. But basically allows a lower score to start.