Cheating

edited March 17 in News & Other Stuff
I didn’t intend on starting any drama nor was referring to anything I don’t even snow or waterski whatever it is
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  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 3,439 Mega Baller
    I believe that most of the suspected methods of cheating are being handled by technology - GPS speed control, boat path measurement systems, video verification.

    Multiple officials are used for judging to reduce the opportunity for collusion between officials and athletes. There are conflict of interest rules for certain sanction levels (e.g., no family members driving or judging the skier for class E/L/R).

    Handles and ropes are verified by technical controllers and designated dock starters.

    There is an anti-doping policy.

    Probably the most nebulous area would be driving. A boat driver can drive an "in tolerance" path that really works with the skier and can also drive an "in tolerance" path that is awful for the skier.
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
    The_untalked_aboutAndrehammerski
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  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 3,439 Mega Baller
    I would be really surprised at any sabotage. Someone who attends or competes at a lot of those high-end events would have to comment, though. I'm just not a part of that world.

    About the only time I can recall hearing about anyone sawing or filing or hammering or drilling on a ski or fin would be the LaPoints - and they were doing it to their own equipment (sometimes between tournament rounds).
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
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  • MastercrafterMastercrafter Posts: 354 Crazy Baller
    Odd…
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  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,903 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited March 17
    @The_untalked_about
    is there a particular incident or event you are inferring that some sabotage occurred? I find your screen name interesting and all 4 posts in this thread. Seems you’re subliminally suggesting you know something.
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  • BroussardBroussard Posts: 749 Mega Baller
    @The_untalked_about Seems like you are just trying to stir s**t under an anonymous veil.

    There are rules in place regarding family members officiating for their kids. Not sure where you are located but this is typically not allowed in the US for Class ELR events.


    Have there been instances of cheating in our sport? Yes.
    Have they been dealt with? Yes. A few individuals have been suspended or banned, others have been put on probation.
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    MISkier
  • JackQJackQ Posts: 500 Open or Level 9 Skier
    Is the question, has there been or is there? Video, shurepath, speed control, verification of handle length and other rules has greatly reduced the likelihood of cheating.
  • thagerthager Posts: 5,549 Mega Baller
    edited March 18
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    Stir vigorously then leave!
  • ralral Posts: 2,010 Mega Baller
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    @MISkier and, on driving, Sure-Path and the like are also starting to take care of driver bias (and improving average drivers in the process).

    Rodrigo Andai
    MISkier
  • Stevie BoyStevie Boy Posts: 2,366 ★★★★Quad Panda Award Recipient ★★★★
    I do not think it is that common, but if you Cheat, you Cheat yourself, Respect yourself and others.
    Just waiting for a particular name to pop here, but he got dealt with, it was an extraordinarily example of what lengths certain individuals would go to win.

    Looking Forward To Getting On The Water, It Has Been A Bleak Winter

  • DWDW Posts: 2,508 Mega Baller
    @thager - and nobody noticed the anomaly? Easy solution would have been to stop and do a time history check. All was good unless he/she displaced another skier.
  • fu_manfu_man Posts: 511 Crazy Baller
    I find these posts so hard to read. Capitalization, punctuation, and grammar please.
    MastercrafterNater
  • ralral Posts: 2,010 Mega Baller
    @thager , that one can now be averted with Sure-Path, as it records times as well.
    Rodrigo Andai
    thager
  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 3,439 Mega Baller
    And reports those times directly to WSTIMS.
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
    thageraupatking
  • ALPJrALPJr Posts: 2,821 Mega Baller
    Stinky Bait…
  • thagerthager Posts: 5,549 Mega Baller
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  • mike_mapplemike_mapple Posts: 263 Water Ski Industry Professional
    is it the DR?
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 32,399 Administrator
    edited March 18
    Let me add to the above that this is a two-edged sword. I can think of at least one case where someone who was likely well-meaning and honest was thrown under the bus in this forum. Looking back I do not feel good about it.

    We need to be careful when we point fingers, but we should also be unafraid to speak up when things do not look right.

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  • lpskierlpskier Posts: 3,783 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    I’m not even sure what this discussion is supposed to be about. In fact, I gave the very first post starting this discussion an “off topic.”
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  • brettmainerbrettmainer Posts: 393 Crazy Baller
    I once heard of a tower judge who called zero on a perfectly good entrance gate. Same guy takes candy from babies and would rob an old lady. He makes it look like 32mph when he is supposedly skiing 34. Highly suspect to me.
  • Stevie BoyStevie Boy Posts: 2,366 ★★★★Quad Panda Award Recipient ★★★★
    edited March 18
    I do not really understand why , this thread exists, the subject is not current, last season saw some terriffic webcasts and skiing at it,s best, I would rather promote the sport, than throw a negative into the mix, for no good reason.

    Looking Forward To Getting On The Water, It Has Been A Bleak Winter

  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 3,439 Mega Baller
    @lpskier the posts from the original poster were all edited after many responses were recorded. So, much of it does not make sense now.
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
  • ScottScottScottScott Posts: 1,348 Mega Baller
    I would prefer the thread be removed as apposed to all of these meaningless posts that have been edited, leaving those of us late to the party to just sit here scratching our heads. And for someone that hasn't even finished his 1st cup of coffee, I'm REALLY confused.
    CamBruce_Butterfieldwilecoyote
  • Cooper_TrelawneyCooper_Trelawney Posts: 346 Crazy Baller
    Maybe somebody misses Skifly.com? :D
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  • dave2balldave2ball Posts: 1,030 Crazy Baller
    I agree that this is a useless thread. There has not been any accusations or for that fact tournaments other then Moomba SOOOOOO what is the relevance of this thread?
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