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Ski 200 team LINQ screen issue

KillerKiller Posts: 504 ★★★★Quad Panda Award Recipient ★★★★
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2014 or 2016 team 200 with the Zo LINQ screen at cold start it has rainbow lines and sometimes have to restart a few times to get it to work.

Was told by dealership it's many $1000s to replace and the screen is on its way out. There's about 2k hrs on the boat.

Any thoughts?
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  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 2,771 Crazy Baller
    Sad, but that's the problem with most of today's boat electronics. Costs a fortune to replace.
    Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge
    ISP6ball
  • brettmainerbrettmainer Posts: 406 Crazy Baller
    Make sure you let the computer fully boot up and get to main screen before cranking engine. Mechanically different but similar to waiting for glow plugs to warm up before starting a diesel engine in that you turn the key part way (or single push of the button), wait 5 to 10 seconds, then start engine.
  • KillerKiller Posts: 504 ★★★★Quad Panda Award Recipient ★★★★
    edited May 26
    @brettmainer we do wait to crank. This is before the engine has started.

    @LeonL like 8 grand dude. Wtf? Can't be... This was a quote from the dealer

    @Jody_Seal any thoughts?

    Got a pic


  • jhughesjhughes Posts: 1,201 Mega Baller
    I'd be in there unplugging and re-plugging in every connection, then probably throw in the towel after that.
  • XpropmanXpropman Posts: 31 Baller
    @Killer call me
    863-six 0 five 03four 0
    I probably have your solution
    Killer
  • jpwhitjpwhit Posts: 222 Solid Baller
    Is this touchscreen version or the version that just uses the button around the perimeter of the display? I can't remember the exact year they added the touch screen. If it's not the touch screen version, I think I have the right LCD panel and can fix it. If it is the touch screen version, I may have one of those assemblies as well, but I'd have to look through my collection of complete display units and parts.
  • KillerKiller Posts: 504 ★★★★Quad Panda Award Recipient ★★★★
    @jpwhit it's not a touch screen, just the buttons.

    @jhughes yes, we discussed that. Seems this happened after the marina changed something for the water temp, so perhaps wires got crossed. Same marina who said that'll be 8k and it's on its way out lol

    @Xpropman thanks, will call tomorrow!
  • B_SB_S Posts: 331 Crazy Baller
    Mine wigs out occasionally as well (non touchscreen), and only thing that fixes it is a complete power down.
  • mlangemlange Posts: 250 Baller
    edited May 27
    A lot of us (mine is a '12) are likely to run into LINC issues at some point that require a new screen or...

    Is there a path to go from LINC to the analog gauges that is plug-n-play?

    Looks like we can get the bezel and gauges from Nautique Parts and Miami Ski Nautique.

    Bezel - link $160
    Speedo - link $330
    Tach - link $250
    Depth - link $229

    ZO we can just use the head unit for.

    Would need to get a remote for the stereo head unit.

    Not sure if I'm missing anything.


  • lakeaustinskierlakeaustinskier Posts: 399 Crazy Baller
    As the owner of a 2017 TT 6 liter 200 and a 2017 GS20 I think CC has always had a great boat and horrible electronic interface.

    Almost like a BMW is a great car to drive but I can never figure out how to turn the radio on or connect Bluetooth.

    Ted Thomson, Austin Texas, Aquaplex
  • skierjpskierjp Posts: 1,234 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Killer call Xpropman he will know what to do and how to fix it.
    Killer
  • AndreAndre Posts: 1,824 Mega Baller
    edited May 27
    It's 2022.
    No more touchscreen at ridiculous prices from the boat makers.
    Should be Bluetooth.Set everything from your phone,tablets...
    Coming from an old fart too.

    Edit: We lost the ''no phones in the boat'' thing a long time ago.
    My ski finish in 16.95 ...but my ass is out of tolerance!
    BlueSkiKiller
  • KillerKiller Posts: 504 ★★★★Quad Panda Award Recipient ★★★★
    Today it didn't do the rainbow screen, went to the initial start up nautique logo and stayed there. 23 tries! Tried total power off, including the perko switch. This was by far the worst it's been.

    Tried you earlier skip, will try again tomorrow. I'm in the boat for most of the day so hopefully it's good! We leave the system powered up for the day so we don't have to worry about it when pulling skiers, just at initial start up.

    I can't believe the cost though. An iPhone is far more capable and a fraction of the price... I get that these are proprietary and not a volume item but perhaps the OEMs can get some continuity and build volume related discounts. The cost of these boats is killing the sport
  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 3,883 Mega Baller
    @Killer
    4 stupid small Allen head screws hold the screen in the dash pod.
    pull them out and pull the screen enough to look at the wire harness plugged into the linc.
    make sure all the wires are seated correctly into the unit.
    in some years there was a couple of odd looking modules connectors without any wires coming
    out. if your boat has these two modules unplug the one with the red wire and closest in the
    harness to the linc unit.
    after you remove this module push the unit back in the dash and see if that corrected your issue.
    again there may or may not be that module I can't remember what years they had them.
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


    thagerAndreKiller
  • jpwhitjpwhit Posts: 222 Solid Baller
    @mlange the boat in question here has the ZO controls integrated into the LINC display. So, you would need to add a ZO head unit to your list. Also knowing what all the LINC display handles, I think there would have to be some kind of black box in addition to the gauges. Something similar to the MMDC of earlier boats. There isn't any wiring in the harness for analog gauge inputs. Everything is done via the CANBUS. So, unless each of the gauges in your list has a CANBUS interfaces, there would have to be some kind of black box to serve as the gateway between the gauges and the CANBUS. Also, looking at the 200 wiring diagram, there are no connectors shown for individual gauges.

    We used to have members of our ski club with 200's with analog gauges. Now I wish I had looked at how the gauges were connected into the wiring harness.

    Your 2012 200 is pre-LINC ZO integration, so I guess you do have the original ZO interface independently from the LINC display.
  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 3,883 Mega Baller
    the pcm engine actually produces analog information. I bet that 2012 has the analog harness at the dash that is unused in a digital dash linc setup.
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


  • mlangemlange Posts: 250 Baller
    That's what I was hoping for Jody. I'm seriously considering buying the analog replacements for when LINC eventually sh*ts the bed.
    ISP6ball
  • KRoundyKRoundy Posts: 618 Crazy Baller
    I know this is not screen related and don’t want to thread jack, but I see some good knowledge being shared here so it is hard to resist: My 2016 Team Edition 200 has a funky depth finder issue. Sometimes it reads ok for a couple of seconds and then reads “100 ft”. Mostly it just sits at 100 ft. Do I need a new transducer? Is it just a lose wire? Anyone else have this issue? My screen works great.
  • PatMPatM Posts: 870 Crazy Baller
    My depth finder reads 100ft when on the boat lift
  • jpwhitjpwhit Posts: 222 Solid Baller
    @KRoundy more than likely you need a new biducer. It possible to be an wiring issue, but the intermittent behavior you describe is typical of how these tend to fail. Are you getting temp reading ?

    https://nautiqueparts.com/product/bi-ducer-depth-temp/
  • KRoundyKRoundy Posts: 618 Crazy Baller
    Yes, the water temp is good. The depth is the only thing that seems off.
  • jpwhitjpwhit Posts: 222 Solid Baller
    @KRoudy, then it pretty much has to be the biducer itself. There's only a set of CANBUS and Power wires going to it. So if the temp is working, then the biducer is communicating on the CANBUS. The depth sounder circuitry in the biducer must be failing. And as I said before, this is a fairly common failure. I've replaced 2 out of the 5 boats I provide maintenance for in the last 5 years.

    It's actually possible to buy the part w/o going through Nautique or MasterCraft for cheaper. They are made by AIRMAR but it's tricky to match up the right part number. There are a lot of variables such as sensor angle and most of the boat makers use a different part # than the native AIRMAR part maker.
  • KRoundyKRoundy Posts: 618 Crazy Baller
    @jpwhit Thank you! Is the correct part number listed on the device? I sure don't mind saving some money by just buying direct. I found the device yesterday and it is located behind my drain plug, which is a pretty difficult spot to reach as it is underneath the engine.
  • jpwhitjpwhit Posts: 222 Solid Baller
    @KRoudy, the ones I replaced had a boat manufacturer specific part number on the device. It did not match any of the standard AIRMAR part numbers. I think I figured out which AIRMAR part # was likely correct, but in the end didn't want to risk it since I couldn't be sure and the part was not returnable. I can't find anywhere that I recorded the part # I thought it was.
  • KRoundyKRoundy Posts: 618 Crazy Baller
    Ah, OK. Perhaps then I should just buy it from my dealer or from NautiqueParts.com. Thanks!
  • mlangemlange Posts: 250 Baller
    @jpwhit

    Sorry. I missed your comment to me above.

    Good call on the ZO head unit. My 2012 LINC actually is integrated w/ ZO, but it's pretty screwy. I forgot that starting in, I think, 2014 the ZO head unit only exists for the boats with analog gauges and LINC boats don't get the head unit. I'm guessing they may even have made that change because of how screwy it is on the 2012's where you can change the ZO settings on both the head unit and LINC. It's so bad I just always use the head unit.

    I'm going to open up the dash this weekend and hope that I see the analog connectors that Jody thinks might be there.

    Mike
  • skierjpskierjp Posts: 1,234 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @mlange just call Skip and he will tell you what you need. He works on these all the time for Nautique. He knows what he’s doing.
  • jpwhitjpwhit Posts: 222 Solid Baller
    @mlange I'm interested in what you find in terms of analog gauge connections.
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