Boat Usage Credit

dislanddisland Posts: 1,531 Mega Baller
edited July 10 in Rules/Politics/Issues
I am scoring our tournament and it wants me to enter all the boast we used. However if there were no promo boats why should I give manufactures any credit?

What are those credits used for anyway?

Dave Island- Princeton Lakes

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  • dave2balldave2ball Posts: 1,126 Crazy Baller
    The boat credits are used for national and regional credits. It will apply to the 20% needed for promos to pull nationals.
  • RAWSkiRAWSki Posts: 1,018 Mega Baller
    not really sure this is needed in the current environment - what would be more interesting is a line to designate if a promo boat is used or a personal-club boat.
    aupatking
  • unksskisunksskis Posts: 680 Crazy Baller
    @dave2ball so now that personal boats are exclusively used, are the companies still to get credit?
  • dave2balldave2ball Posts: 1,126 Crazy Baller
    @unksskis have no idea. Maybe depending on what year and hull design. I don’t know what % of personal boats are being used.
  • skierjpskierjp Posts: 1,278 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited July 11
    @unksskis exclusively?
  • skiinxsskiinxs Posts: 724 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Certainly not exclusively, Nautique is covering all MO tournaments. Two last weekend, this was yesterday...
    RAWSkiKRoundydbaconaz
  • RAWSkiRAWSki Posts: 1,018 Mega Baller
    @skiinxs nice looking fleet and you are very fortunate!
  • unksskisunksskis Posts: 680 Crazy Baller
    @skierjp Exclusively meaning no promo boats, compared to utilizing a promo boat in conjunction with personal or club boats. There are no promo boats in this area to support local tournaments, therefore to host tournaments in this area it is relying exclusively on personal or club boats, no support from any manufacturer. @skiinxs That is great that they are supporting the Missouri tournaments with your involvement and hard work. The tournament originally referenced here exclusively utilized personal boats. In this scenario, it would not seem correct to give credits to the manufacturers for competitions they really didn't support, or go towards their national support percentage.
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  • dbutcherdbutcher Posts: 570 Crazy Baller
    At some point, requirements to pull Nationals and Regionals are going to have to be reduced - if they haven't been already. It seems like we are lucky to have any tow boats at all, and the future doesn't look bright.
    RAWSki
  • aupatkingaupatking Posts: 1,818 Mega Baller
    If I own the boat privately, I’m not allowing credit to be given to anyone but me. If they want their boats to qualify, they need to do a better job with their promo program. Nautique pulls EVERY tournament in Alabama.
    skialexDragoJody_Sealjayski
  • unksskisunksskis Posts: 680 Crazy Baller
    @dbutcher yes, any support for Regionals and Nationals should be allowed and appreciated. The "credit" system should really be utilized to see where the promo programs are being utilized, and the system be updated to identify/capture tournaments that were not supported.
  • KelvinKelvin Posts: 1,352 Mega Baller
    I may just enter my neighbors Centurion as the only boat used :D

    Kelvin Kelm, Lakes of Katy, Katy Texas

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  • skierjpskierjp Posts: 1,278 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
  • skiinxsskiinxs Posts: 724 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @skierjp Bring it up to Nationals and there would be twins!
  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,928 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    The whole subject of boat availability, credit and the “nationals credit” idea is something that needs serious discussion and changes.
    Keith Lindemulder
    AWSA Chairman of the Board

    Drago
  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 3,983 Mega Baller
    edited July 11


    used this at the Georgia State championships. women /men 5 and above slalom.
    we also used a 2022 Mastercraft promo as well as a 2019 Ski Nautique promo.
    very much appreciated and manufacturer credit given.



    no credit to manufacturers unless they support tournaments with boats sponsored by manufacturers via official promo programs.


    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


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  • dislanddisland Posts: 1,531 Mega Baller
    The scoring software has a fit if there is no boat entered

    Dave Island- Princeton Lakes

  • mike_mapplemike_mapple Posts: 286 Water Ski Industry Professional
    edited July 13
    @disland just a question, did you reach out to the companies to see if they would help? not to stir anything just wondering if that was done and they flat out said no?

    Edit*
    I have never put on a tournament, so I am not sure how that works, it is really just a question of personal interest.
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  • skierjpskierjp Posts: 1,278 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @mike_mapple @disland there is actually a Towboat Request Form that is supposed to be submitted. Nautique does all their Tournament Towboat scheduling around the first week of March.
    mike_mapple
  • mike_mapplemike_mapple Posts: 286 Water Ski Industry Professional
    @skierjp Thank you!
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  • Bruce_ButterfieldBruce_Butterfield Posts: 2,239 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    There is a grand total of 1 SN promo in the north Texas area. I don't know of any MC or Malibu promos in the area. For @disland tournament, the SN promo was committed to a Record tournament in Arkansas, so there were basically no promo boats available within a 5 hour drive.
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  • skierjpskierjp Posts: 1,278 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Ken’s Nautique Promo was in Austin last weekend. Texas States.
  • Bruce_ButterfieldBruce_Butterfield Posts: 2,239 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    @skierjp right. There is 1 SN in Austin area and 1 north of Dallas. That's about a 4 hour drive and both were committed. Simple fact is that there are way more tournaments than promo boats.
    I'm Ancient. WTH do I know?
    unksskisdbutcher
  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 2,831 Crazy Baller
    Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here. My perception of the promo program was always what it kinda said it was, a way to promote the brand and by allowing the skiing public to see and ski behind the brand, and thus increase sales. Obviously that's not the situation today. All brands sell all that they choose to make (read bigger boats with bigger margins taking build slots) so I don't see the promo program living much longer. Witness the current number of promo boats.

    Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge

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