New ski vs. Coaching

S_LS_L Posts: 5 Baller
edited April 2011 in Technique & Theory
I was wondering what others have experienced for an increase in ball count with a new ski? It may be the first time out or within skiing a few sets. Is our money better spent on coaching to achive the same/similar results? I understand the benefits of new equipment with technology and the wear and tear on our old equipment. Our skis definitely have a life and when they are done our skiing performance will change. Any thoughts on what your best increased bouy count is with a new ski? Best bouy count with a few sets and a coach? This may be better as a click survey but this is all that I can do.
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,211 Administrator
    I can set up a poll but .... coaching unless your gear is really beat

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  • S_LS_L Posts: 5 Baller
    Ok. The refined question would be what is number of bouys picked up with a new ski?
  • Chuck_DickeyChuck_Dickey Posts: 1,459 Crazy Baller
    Poll is a good idea.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,211 Administrator
    Depends on how bad the old ski is and your skills.....

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,211 Administrator
    I will look at the poll thing...

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  • Ed_ObermeierEd_Obermeier Posts: 1,339 Crazy Baller
    May not address the question directly but I think it may be pertinent. I got a new Strada at the beginning of last season; struggled getting through 32 off consistantly despite being in mid 35 the season before on a 3 year old MPD. Went down to Matt Rini's in early August after struggling with the Strada all season. Matt watched me run 3 passes and nailed my problem. A week later I was right back in mid 35.

    IMO good coaching is the best money I've spent on skiing, and God knows I've spent a bunch...

    Ed
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  • MattPMattP Posts: 5,981 Mega Baller
    I agree with Ed Coaching is the best way to spend money in this sport.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,211 Administrator
    You could pay me a lot for coaching and not learn a thing

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  • MattPMattP Posts: 5,981 Mega Baller
    edited April 2011
    You have to pay the right amount to the right person...
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,211 Administrator
    Matt may be right....

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  • MattPMattP Posts: 5,981 Mega Baller
    Looks like I found a new coach! See ya aroud Jodi!
  • Ed_ObermeierEd_Obermeier Posts: 1,339 Crazy Baller
    I wrote "IMO good coaching is the best money I've spent on skiing, and God knows I've spent a bunch..."

    To clarify, I meant that I've spent a bunch of money on SKIING (haven't we all?), not specifically on coaching. I've spent some there too, and I intend to spend a bunch more. On coaching. Soon. Though I'm not sure that sending any of it to Horton is gonna gain me anything. BTW lovin' the Strada, thanks Matt.

    Ed

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  • Bud ManBud Man Posts: 254
    I don’t think your question can be answered as posed. I believe it would have to depend on the skier and their equipment. You have to know the problem before you can come up with a solution. Just like you can’t ask what is the best length ski. The answer will be different for different people.

    If your question was [Should an average type skier just buy newer equipment in an attempt to ski better or visit a coach?] I think the answer has already been said, that a good coach should be able to diagnose the equipment and you to come up with an answer. Why throw away money on different equipment in an attempt to get more buoys if that is not the problem. The coach might help you ski better and save you money.

    Think about it this way: Should you switch your mutual fund or consult a good investment advisor in an attempt to make more money? The advisor might say stick with what you have because it is just as good as any out there. Or he might say switch and you gain a lot of money because of it.
  • 94009400 Posts: 597 Crazy Baller
    Or you can stay on your old ski, figure it out on your own (with help from a cast of thousands, read everything, try many things, think about it far to often, watch every good skier, watch every bad skier, ski every chance you get, in every condition known to man)

    The truth is until you people start buying more houses, apartments, condos, factories, land, pipelines and other engineering related stuff, I can't pay for a new ski or coaching. But I can still afford to ski.
  • ralral Posts: 1,708 Mega Baller
    As per what I see around me (we can do a poll for this) most skiers that spend money in coaching on a regular basis spend money in skis on a regular basis as well. Then there are some that spend on sticks but not on coaching. Have yet to find some that do not spend anything on gear but do spend on coaching...
    Rodrigo Andai
  • Bud ManBud Man Posts: 254
    That is interesting ral. Results from a poll on that could be interesting as well. How would you structure the questions?
  • MattPMattP Posts: 5,981 Mega Baller
    How often do you buy a new ski?
    How much do you spend on skis a year?
    How often do you pay for coaching?
    How much do you spend on coaching a year?

    Something like that?
  • Bud ManBud Man Posts: 254
    Those are good MattP. I would like to see results from that poll.

    Even though for me, the first two questions would be hard for me to answer because the ski I bought in 2000, I skied on through 2006. I did try a Monza in 2005, but did not like or keep. I stayed off the water from middle of 2006 through the end of 2009. I tried a bunch of skies in 2010 and settled on a Strada. I am not opposed to trying something else, but I can’t imagine liking something better than this ski.

    As for coaching that is easy to answer. Never and zero. I realize it is good and I should, but I always manage to talk myself out of it. But I sure am having fun and enjoying skiing.
  • Bud ManBud Man Posts: 254
    edited April 2011
    OB,
    I’m not sure if there are 6 or 7 people around here that would come to ski with a professional coach. There is a small group of enthusiastic slalom skiers a bit up the interstate form here on the other side of Lake Murray that have courses on public water. No ZO boats in that group though. I believe at least two of them are like I am; capable of running 11.25m but can’t bank on it every time off the dock.

    Then in the other direction about 2 hours is Trophy Lakes and H2oz. Both have nice people and ski schools and of course ZO boats. I’m sort of in no man’s land. Very close to the airport and there used to be a site at the airport leased by The Columbia Water Ski Club, but I don’t think any of them ski any more. I don’t believe there is even a competition ski boat dealer in the Columbia area. Charlotte, NC might be the closest. I am trying to get a volunteer to supply a boat for the areal videoing I am going to be doing.

    Lake Murray is not too far and is full of wake boards and jet skis. Even though most of the time it is just me skiing and my wife driving, I enjoy if as much as probably a thousand skiers put together.

    When RJM came here, he wanted to help as many as he could, so I called about everyone that I could think of, and only one person came. He actually came twice and said he was really glad he did. I think I said this before, but the main thing RJM opened my eyes to was realizing that it took less of what I was already doing to get out to the buoys. Nothing really different from what I was doing, just less of it. Light on the line and low load.
  • Bud ManBud Man Posts: 254
    OB,
    Both paragraphs make good points.
  • 6balls6balls Posts: 5,040 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Budman...no man's land 2 hours from great coaching??? Go ski w/them. Some very good skiers in the midwest became much better w/opportunity and funding for good coaching. At one time I took pride in competing level w/them, but eventually they shot forward. Looking to even the score soon. Have not had as much opportunity as they have, but this forum and skiing w/some first class skiers helps, too.
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  • Bud ManBud Man Posts: 254
    I guess it is perspective. To some that would sound like a short drive, but to me it sounds almost unbearable. The quickest way to get me to drive any where is to help someone. I generally would not do it for me. A while back I made a seven hour round trip in one day just to help out someone.

    From the other point of view, I wouldn’t think twice about hiking, biking or walking with my wife for two or more hours straight, but that might seem like a long time to others.

    It is nothing for me to drive in circles around the ski lake cutting grass for five or six hours or walk around the shore for several hours straight, running a string trimmer stopping only to refill the gas tank, but a I will put off taking a short drive to the grocery store.

    I don’t know why I am that way, but I am.
  • hogexpresshogexpress Posts: 103 Baller
    For me, 'new' skies made more of difference at the longer line lengths -15-32 off b/c i think they did a good job of 'masking' my poor form by being more forgiving or easier to ski on.

    At the shorter lengths 35 and 38, coaching and adapting my style/form has been more productive. IMO you are forced to adapt to a more efficient style or form or pull or lean (however you like to think of it) in order to run those passes. A new ski is not going to do it for me.

    Keith Sims - South Carolina
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 5,898 Mega Baller
    OB, if you set Chet up for some coaching with some advance notice I could schedule a trip to Atlanta for a couple of sets with him. A couple of meetings one day and some skiing the next. I can't believe people wouldn't pay $200 for some coaching at a nice private site.
    Mark Shaffer
  • Jim NeelyJim Neely Posts: 291 Baller
    Ok @Hogexpress, how many new skis have you purchased in the last year and a half?
    68" Vapor
  • lpskierlpskier Posts: 2,471 Mega Baller
    edited April 2011
    @Brent: Ouch!
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  • hogexpresshogexpress Posts: 103 Baller
    Two, but one was just same ski different length - does that count?
    Keith Sims - South Carolina
  • Jim NeelyJim Neely Posts: 291 Baller
    Hog, Sorry you couldn't join us yesterday
    68" Vapor
  • hogexpresshogexpress Posts: 103 Baller
    Thanks, I was being Mr. Mom. Hopefully will get to ski with OB on Sat. Will catch up with you next week when I get back.
    Keith Sims - South Carolina
  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 6,028
    Let me throw something out there. For the most part, most of us "know" how to ski. But we don't train our body to do it correctly. Instead, we go out there and run buoys. What improvement would you see, regardless of the ski or coach, if you put together a true training plan that focused you on correcting those mechanics needed to improve your buoy count. I know I give in my left shoulder to the buoy off the 2nd wake into 2/4/6. So why would it make sense for me to shorten the rope into 32 and 35 where that will really start to bite me. Yet, we do that all the time. No amount of coaching is going to fix that for me. I have to choose a training path that fixes it for me.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

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