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A2 Test Rides 16 -17

HortonHorton Posts: 29,450 Administrator
edited June 2011 in Reviews
I left the test A2 in Louisiana for some Original Ballers to try. While I was waiting for the ski to get back to me, I rode some old favorite skis. 2 sets on MPD, 3 sets on Prophecy and 2 sets on Elite. This basically cleared my head of what to expect from the A2.

Ride 16 was funky. So much so that I sent some text messages asking if the guys had moved the fin. I did not think so but had to ask. (setting notes were at home) The ski felt ok but not the way I remembered it. I found myself pushing at the apex to get the ski to turn and being un-stacked as a result.

Ride 17 (Dark:30) I made a point to move forward on the ski between the wakes and the ball. This is the A2 that I know. With my further weight forward of center than Ride 16, the ski came alive. The ski initiates the arc back to the wakes early and draws and smooth line back to the wakes. The result is more angle and less effort to be wide and early.

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  • Old MS AccoutOld MS Accout Posts: 2,114 Baller
    I rode the A2 at dawgs place (old oaks) and loved it. Horton wrote, The ski initiates the arc back to the wakes early and draws and smooth line back to the wakes. The result is more angle and less effort to be wide and early.
    I would agree with that and add that it is a very stable feeling ski.

  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,450 Administrator
    agree 100%

    (that will never happen again)

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  • scokescoke Posts: 672 Crazy Baller

    Maybe 16 sets was all you got out of that core?
    Maybe you have to be perfect on it now?
    Maybe it was bad from the beginning?
  • scokescoke Posts: 672 Crazy Baller
    maybe they put the wrong core in it as they knew it was going to be a freebie?
  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,450 Administrator
    Shut up

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  • Old MS AccoutOld MS Accout Posts: 2,114 Baller
    This is an HO not a NANHO.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,450 Administrator
    I may ban you both.

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,450 Administrator
    edited June 2011
    Sorry about the lack of fin numbers. Seems my notebook and keyboard are not together much lately.
    I am close to but not exactly at. Think I am shallower and need to be deeper.

    .78 DFT
    2.503 Deep
    6.835 tips
    29 1/2

    I looked at the fin slot of my A2 last night. True it is not a super tight fit but that is typical of many skis. I have trouble believing it impacts performance. The older HOs have a molded in fin box that looks better but actually allows for more fin flex.

    @Bruce55 If you are really unhappy with the ski I say move on. There is no perfect ski for everyone. I do know I like the A2 a lot when I move forward as I approach the ball. If I am static or a little back I am not so happy and you have to be aggressive - can not ski ball to ball

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  • Old MS AccoutOld MS Accout Posts: 2,114 Baller
    I have the HO A2 numbers at home and will post tonight.
  • Not_The_PugNot_The_Pug Posts: 639 Crazy Baller
    Greg Badal re-set the fin on my Wife's A2 over the weekend. He moved the fin up a little more then before. Said they are finding they don't have to be that deep. Might be something to try. I can measure it tonight and post.
    She skied it last night and ran her first 34 of the year like it was her opener. She said the ski is turning a lot better on her off side.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,450 Administrator
    If you were on fire without VW, take it off for 3-5 sets and see of everything comes back together.

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  • thagerthager Posts: 4,990 Mega Baller
    I ski 8 or so buoys better in southern water than here in S. Canada on the same fin settings. Water is warmer and different base composition. Try some new settings and take off that drag induction unit!
    Stir vigorously then leave!
  • ForrestGumpForrestGump Posts: 6,118
    Everyone skis better at Chet's.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • ForrestGumpForrestGump Posts: 6,118
    Yeah, but you have to ask yourself why.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • Old MS AccoutOld MS Accout Posts: 2,114 Baller
    67.5 A2 stock
    29 3/8 from the tail
    .780
    2.502
    6.845 tips

    Chad Baker was riding his at 29.25 from tail
    .765 dft
    2.502
    6.835 tips
    8 on the wing

  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 1,804 Mega Baller
    Horton,
    How 'bout one or two sentences on you thoughts when you hoped on each of the old faithful skis? I know it's off topic, but I'm interested. I still think the Prophecy is one of the most fun skis I ever rode. If I come across one for cheap I might buy it just for a giggles ride now and again.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,450 Administrator
    edited June 2011
    MPD was quirky as I remembered. One ride I was “En Fuego” and the next I felt like Jerry Lewis. It is unreal fast and when I am in the right spot. Super suckeee when I was not in exactly the right spot. Makes the balls feel narrow. The summer I skied on it, I skied the best of my life and the most inconsistent of my life.

    Prophecy is a ton of work but is always turning. Forces you to control your shoulders at the ball and control the handle more than any other ski. It is way different than any other ski out there. I still think that if I trained on it for a month and then went to more forgiving ski, I would kick some balls. It is on my fav list.

    Elite. Smok’n fast across and smooth but fast turning. Turns are a little radical. I was really stoked with it. I had forgotten how really good it is. Of the three it is the one I would be happy to ride long term.

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  • DirtDirt Posts: 1,642 Open or Level 9 Skier
    What about your Strada? Did you ride it?
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,450 Administrator
    No.... It did not have enough dust on it.

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  • rq0013rq0013 Posts: 564 Baller
    you should ride the strada after the A2 review is done. Im interested in you comparison. Horton, can you put the strada review in the gear review section?
    Rob Quetschke
  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,450 Administrator
    I plan to do a Vice review

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  • WishWish Posts: 8,109 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Vice review next???
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,450 Administrator
    @Bruce Wow was that a Typo. No 2.503

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,450 Administrator
    Binding back a hole is the next tweak... try it.

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  • DirtDirt Posts: 1,642 Open or Level 9 Skier
    I rode Horton's A2 yesterday. I have been riding a Radar Vice and the A2 was an easy transition. I was surprised how easy it is to get wide and yet it felt very stable. The off-side turns may need to be toned down with a fin adjustment. I tried to get him to leave it here for a few more rides and of course he refused. I told him 25 rides for a ski test was excessive but he was not buying it.
    He rode the Vice and my wife said I looked better on his ski and he looked better on mine. She suggested we trade (nice try) but again, no luck.
    Anyone else liking the A2? What numbers are you running on the fin? Wing or no wing? Horton told me take the wing off my Vice but is putting it back on his A2.
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  • stone88stone88 Posts: 92
    edited June 2011
    I'm still struggling with mine. When I ski well it's good and when not...
    My opening pass is 55 at 15 off then 58 at 15 off that is normally my 1st 2 passes and I should run them 1 after the other easily. Then I shorten and get stuck immediately when I get to 28 off. On the A2 I have only got to 28 off a couple of times but the strange thing is that 1 day I ski well and then for example last Friday I missed my opening pass 3 times in a row!! If I am slightly on the back foot coming out of the turn it's all over!

    I know a guy on it who runs into 38 off and he loves it. I know a few skiers around my level with it who are all struggling. I'm on a 66.5 and quite often feel like I'm about to come OTF and have had 2 impressive crashes. Gonna try some different numbers this weekend (currently running ho's stock) but if things don't go better soon I think I'll be going back to my sixam.
  • scokescoke Posts: 672 Crazy Baller
    edited June 2011
    i've got some new numbers for A2
    .7359'er
    6.919'er
    2.469'er.
    no wing!
  • Old MS AccoutOld MS Accout Posts: 2,114 Baller
    Put the wing on.
    Do not listen to Horton or anyone else that tells you to ski without it.
    Bob put lots of R&D into design and the wing was on the ski the whole time.
  • Chuck_DickeyChuck_Dickey Posts: 1,462 Crazy Baller
    All factory settings, wing, fin and boots. just ride it for a while and you'll like it better with each ride. I think our body's muscle memory gets confused when we don't spend enough time on a ski and tries to move in the way it was use to on our old ski. Stop tweaking on the ski and just ride it!

    BTW - Once you get your hands on one of John's test skis and you love it, don't give it back and just send him a check!
  • DirtDirt Posts: 1,642 Open or Level 9 Skier
    Chuck, that's why I wanted him to leave it. His is not for sale. If I like it, I would buy him one to replace it. I usually don't mess with the fin/bindings much.
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