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HortonHorton Posts: 28,761 Administrator
edited March 2008 in Videos, Photos & Media
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Hey Dawg,
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Any comments. I know that my gate sucks and think I need to take some depth out. I am working on shoulders level and back arm pressure.
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  • slalomdudeslalomdude Posts: 154
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    John,
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    What does "back arm pressure" mean to you. I was always taught that it means the arm furthest away from the boat, ie the left arm when going from 1 to 2. However recently I have been reading that it now represents the opposite arm, right arm 1 to 2, in an attempt to open up the shoulders more.
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    I was taught that Back arm pressure helps you to hold the cutting  edge longer to give more width into the ball.
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 28,761 Administrator
    edited March 2008
    From 1 to 2 your right arm is the back arm. By getting extra load on the back arm you get a lot of good effect includeing a smoother transition at edge change. If your left arm is loaded on the way to 2 ball what happens when you let go?
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  • slalomdudeslalomdude Posts: 154
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    Loading up the left arm, gives you width up to the point that the boat will automatically start to pull you over into the edge change. As long as you dont give back to the boat too quickly, the edge change will be smooth.
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    I think the right arm as back arm may be more new school thinking, ie open to the boat.
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    Gotta love technique discussions though, not enough in my opinion, too much other bull being talked on other forums.
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 28,761 Administrator
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    I think loading your left (on the way to 2) makes you think you are getting more but if you load your right a bit more then normal you will be able to ride the line out a lot wider. If you want an extra tight line all the way out you gotta load the trailing arm.
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    Are you with me? It is hard to explain.
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  • tsixamtsixam Posts: 371 Baller
    edited March 2008
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    <span><font size="3"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">I think I understand what you are trying to explain. In the old style skiing it was important to load the left arm going from 1 to 2,(back arm in the old school) when you really wanted to crank down the left shoulder. But doesn’t it make more sense to try to load both arms equally when we ski more open to the boat and shoulders are more level?</font></font></font></span>
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    <span></span><span><font size="3"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">Tsixam</font></font></font></span>
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 28,761 Administrator
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    <font face="Times New Roman" size="3" color="#000000">Yes, I think a equal load would be great. I think most of us load our left arm a lot more on the way to 2/4/6. So by trying to get the load onto the right arm we are getting closer to being equal. (perception not always reality) </font>
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    <font face="Times New Roman" size="3" color="#000000">I do not think you can really get more load on the right arm then on the left but by trying to transfer the load you will get closer to equal. </font>
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    <font face="Times New Roman" size="3" color="#000000">If you hook a handle to a poll and think about what happens when you cross the centerline, you will see that if the right arm is way under loaded things get weird at edge change. I am assuming that we all agree that we all want as much line tension as possible all the way out to the ball line.</font>
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  • tsixamtsixam Posts: 371 Baller
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    <span><font size="3"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">I think we are on the same track here. I think that both arms equally loaded would be the best with one exception. I have not been skiing since September, but when I close my eyes I can feel the load as it gradually transfer from both arms to the left arm at the preturn, when I try to counter rotate. Still skiing from 1 to 2. I think this must happen otherwise the elbows will travel away from the body or it will be impossible to counter. I think I have to think a little bit more about this and try to be aware of this next weekend when we will start skiing again. Are you skiing year round?</font></font></font></span>
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    <span><font size="3"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">Tsixam</font></font></font></span>
  • lkblkb Posts: 583 Baller
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    At my club, we talk a lot about advancing the hips past the handle when your behind the boat. Seems like to me that keeping back arm pressure is what sets that up. And the Bruce Butterfield theory of keeping the handle close after the second wake goes hand in hand with back arm pressure.
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    Just my thoughts. Anybody agree/disagree?
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  • tsixamtsixam Posts: 371 Baller
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    lkb,
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    I am not sure I know what you mean by <em>"advancing the hips past the handle"?</em> Can you explain it in a way that even a Swede understands it?<img src="/vanillaforum/js/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" />
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    Tsixam
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  • lkblkb Posts: 583 Baller
    edited April 2008
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    My great great great grandfather came from Sweden so maybe that will help.
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    Say you are going from 1 ball to 2. When your free hand comes back on the handle, the postion of the handle is hopefully a little to the right of a vertical centerline through your trunk. As you go through the wake, advancing the hip past the handle would mean that the right hip would "twist" toward the rope in a way so that the handle "moves" to a position closer to directly over the right upper leg. Does that make any sense?
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    I think lately that that move is where you make space into the next bouy instead of hooking up, leaning away with the upper body and pulling your guts out against a 343 hp, 3000lb boat.
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    That's my take on it although I know there are a lot of guys on here that have been skiing longer than i have.
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  • tsixamtsixam Posts: 371 Baller
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    <span><font size="3"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">Thanks, I understand and it makes sense. </font></font></font></span>
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    <span><font size="3"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">I have been struggling with the concept of putting the handle low on my leg at the hook up and trying to keep it there all the way to the edge change. Then as the counter rotation starts I have been trying to keep my elbows in and push the handle in front of me ( a tip from JTH last year) and at that point it feels like the load is transferred from more or less equal load in both arms to more load on the left arm, going from 1 to 2 ball. When I succeed I think I create a lot more space before next ball. But unfortunately, when I am late I forget it all....</font></font></font></span>
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    <span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><font color="#000000">Tsixam </font></span>
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