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Boat Comparison- Advice needed

crashmancrashman Posts: 722 Crazy Baller
edited February 2012 in Boat Talk
I'm looking at used boats to pull me down the course on a private lake and these are the ones I'm considering thus far
1999 Prostar
1999 Supra Comp
1997 Response

I'm currently skiing at longer lengths but hope to improve; My closest ski partner skis 28 off and hoping for 32 off- so performance at -35 and shorter isn't important at this point in my life

Presume similar condition and price.

So the basic question is this: I know the 1998-2000 prostar is not a favorite hull, but would you put it behind the comp and the response? I know the real answer is to wait until spring and ski behind each of them, but I appreciate your thoughts.
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  • skihartskihart Posts: 511 Solid Baller
    I am an MC guy but don't buy that boat....not a great hull...The response LX will be cheap and have a decent wake. My buddy has a 99 and it's pretty good, ski's nice and handles well. I think a 196 Nautique is a great option and are relatively inexpensive, at least around here, beacuase of the closed bow. I would stay away from the supra but I have never skied one......
  • Get a 1999 Reponse LX. Perfect boat for your application. Burns about 1/2 the fuel of the others.( You need the Monsoon engine and speed control)
    Am I a jumper that wants to be a slalom skier? Or a slalom skier that wants to be a jumper?
  • WishWish Posts: 7,891 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Owned a Supra - not a good long line boat. MC - bad yr is correct.

    Currently own a 97 SN - there isn't a better long line boat.. period.

    Of the 3 - Response
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 1,185 Crazy Baller
    Respone. Hands down. IMO Im not in love with MC. They have amazing trick wakes but thats it for me. Never skiied with a Supra. Malibu- that was an amazing hull and has amazing wake, driving, and spray
  • 6balls6balls Posts: 5,204 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    The Response of that vintage is a nice boat but not a SN 196 wake. Particularly for crashman and his buddies line lengths...they are going to spend a lot of time at 22 off. One of my partner's opener is 22 and he says the 196 is far better than the 'Bu at that length. 28 off to 38 off I'm happy behind either.
    The CC also tracks better and the driving position is better...not sitting so far down in the bathtub. I primarily ski a '97 196, a '00 196 and a '02 Response LX.
    Dave Ross--die cancer die
  • crashmancrashman Posts: 722 Crazy Baller
    wow thanks for the replies. @6balls you're correct I'm hoping to spend a lot of time at 22 off. I'll start looking for a 196 97 or newer. It sounds like even if I spend a little more on it I can resale it more easily due to the strong following!
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  • swc5150swc5150 Posts: 2,304 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Indeed the SN. We owned 2 of that era Prostars. Decent wake but tracked like a glorified Bayliner.
    Scott Calderwood
  • crashmancrashman Posts: 722 Crazy Baller
    edited January 2012
    @ OB- sorry I didn't see your question about price- I'm looking to spend around 15k; The malibu I mentioned is asking 13,500 but doesn't have any speed control which I would have to add since my wife is sometimes the driver.
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  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 5,364 Mega Baller
    Get a 196
    Shut up and ski
  • skihartskihart Posts: 511 Solid Baller
    Oh you need speed control.....especially if your wife is driving!....it could save your marriage............seriously!
  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 2,844 Mega Baller
    If you are not in that big of a hurry to purchase a boat I would do a little more homework because their are a lot of great deals on boats that are far newer with speed control and at fire sale prices.
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


  • WishWish Posts: 7,891 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @OB. idle flare problem ?????
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • Hugh NicholsHugh Nichols Posts: 111 Baller
    I would look for a '93 or '94 Mastercraft Prostar 190, with EFI, & if it dos not have it StarGazer cruise. If I was skiing long line alot thats what I would want.......
    Hugh Nichols
  • KelvinKelvin Posts: 1,165 Mega Baller
    Agree with Jack - there is a world of difference in the Bu wake between a 97 and the 98 diamond hull. Especially at 15 and 22 off.
    Kelvin Kelm, Lakes of Katy, Katy Texas
  • jlittlejlittle Posts: 255 Baller
    @Wish yes, idle flare on the '97. Love my boat but that part still aggravates me to this day. When you start the boat the engine will run up to ~1500-1800 rpm (or something like that) and then settle in to idle. It takes about 10+ seconds. Which is forever when you need to get it in gear. From what I remember you could have it "fixed" but the reprogramming fee was outragous $ when I check into it in '98 or '99.

    And for what it's worth, when they changed over to the white dash, at times there was a lot of glare (reflection) off the inside glass that disturbed your view out the windshiled. Well compared to the black.
  • Not_The_PugNot_The_Pug Posts: 602 Crazy Baller
    I have a 01 Ski Nautique I need to sell, so I can order a promo boat. It is loaded (Heater/Shower, Towing Cover, Bimini, GT-40) and skis great at all line lengths. Has Star Gazer already installed. It looks really good, I can send pictures if interested. I'm asking $16,500 obo with ZO emulator added on when available. Willing to talk about all options.
    Kevin
  • skihartskihart Posts: 511 Solid Baller
    I agree with Hugh if you want to save a few bucks go with a 94 prostar, that was the first year of fuel injection. That being said, I used to own a 93 prostar 205 that was carbed that was probably my favourite boat I have ever owned.
    Go 98 or newer on a response LX and the SN is a really good bet.
  • WishWish Posts: 7,891 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • crashmancrashman Posts: 722 Crazy Baller
    @krlee if only I were closer to you! (I'm in Indiana)
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  • 6balls6balls Posts: 5,204 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Check ski-it-again. Check www.onlyinboards.com and www.boattraderonline.com, central kentucky inboards (have heard good things and they can ship to you).
    Dave Ross--die cancer die
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,929 Infinite Pandas
    Krlee's boat is a sweet boat! It is in great shape and skis really nicely - especially for slalom but with a bit of weight it is an excellent trick boat too. Way better than the new Nautiques for tricks and wakeboards. I bummed as many sets as possible behind his boat to avoid Stan's old Moomba. The only problem with his boat is that the gelcoat may be worn out from being wiped down and polished so much.
    Old Malibus are hard to beat.
    But a couple of members at my lake had 94 Mastercrafts. I loved my rides behind them, trick and slalom. One of the best all around hulls ever.
    Eric
  • Not_The_PugNot_The_Pug Posts: 602 Crazy Baller
    Crashman,
    I'm sure we could work some shipping into it. I know a few dealers in the area I could work with them to get it shipped.
    Kevin
  • crashmancrashman Posts: 722 Crazy Baller
    @ OB I'm in Muncie IN- we ski at the Muncie Waterbowl about 45 miles NE of Indy; it's a bring your own boat club. What club did you ski at?
    Krlee- let me think about it- I made fun of my neighbor for buying a Supra Launch site unseen from California- of course we took it to the lake and it didn't start; I'm not sure he'd ever let me live it down if I did the same thing so I suppose I'd have to fly other there and take a few sets behind your boat before I would buy it.
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  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 1,185 Crazy Baller
    Look on the west coast. Most dealerships went out of buisness or are barley surving. Obviously due to lack of boat sales. What you will find is New-old inventory. You might find an 08 or 09 196 or Lxi for price of a 5-6 year old one. The argument I used when I bought a boat like that "Yes, to you it is new, but to me the second I put it in the water, it is a 4 year old boat." Right there will get $8,000 off the price.
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 5,972 Mega Baller
    I have a 2002 response which I think is on the same hull as the 98-99 and I don't have any issues with the wake at 15 or 22. It isn't as good as a new Nautique but you can certainly run the course behind it. I would think you could find a 99 or so Response in the price range you are looking for. I am one of the people that likes the open bow for when I have the family on the water which would rule the Nautiques out for me.
    Mark Shaffer
  • crashmancrashman Posts: 722 Crazy Baller
    so it's probably time for me to admit that I'm going to keep my V-drive boat as my open water/family boat/laker. I looked at selling it/trading it but for the price I can get it's just not worth it to me- especially since in order to get a family boat that is a ski boat I need it to seat 10 or more since we commonly boat as a 10 pack with my brother's family- rules out an LXI as my only boat; Trading it in on a new outback was going to cost me 15k- so I thought heck for 15k I can get a really good closed bow ski boat that does exactly what I want on the ski course- our course is tight so a small boat is ideal, and it's a private lake so I won't have to register it, plus I can keep my "laker" that does what I want for longer trips and family gatherings. My wife actually is in favor of this "2 boat system" so everybody wins. His boat/Hers boat.

    Don't shoot me- storage space is cheap in Indiana.

    And thanks for all your thoughts.
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  • Not_The_PugNot_The_Pug Posts: 602 Crazy Baller
    edited January 2012
    Crashman, Come on out and we can do some skiing. As the others that know me on here can vouch, I would stand behind what I sold. Plus it has taken me years to convince my wife we should get a new boat. She really likes skiing behind this one and how it drives.
    Keep me posted,
    Kevin
  • 6balls6balls Posts: 5,204 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Great plan. I have a boat w/capacity on my home public lake, a 196 on the swamp.
    Dave Ross--die cancer die
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 5,972 Mega Baller
    @crashman based on that I would look at a 196.
    Mark Shaffer
  • BulldogBulldog Posts: 1,014 Crazy Baller
    The response is the ONLY way to go on those three.
    Mike Loeffler - "Someone somewhere is having a real problem today...My bad skiing is NOT one of them"
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