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Should Parrish have opted up at the Masters?

ScarletArrowScarletArrow Posts: 822 Crazy Baller
edited May 2012 in Technique & Theory
So partly an excuse to experiment with the new poll feature, but mostly to add to the discussion. I'm surprised no one seems to be talking about what I think was the biggest decision of the Masters.

On Sunday there was a pretty good head/tail wind. Tgas opted to drop his 32off pass so he could get a 39 headwind. Nate went out at his 32off and then posted a strong 39. With the pressure now on Parrish to match Nate's score, he went out at 32 off, but then opted to skip his 35off pass and go to 38 where he fell around 3 ball.

I was standing out on the platform watching Parrish between passes and without the aid of the big screen I could see him turning his head looking back down course at the water conditions considering his move.

I spoke with a prominent skier afterwards, and he said CP made the right decision. His logic was that if he couldn't run 38 in a tailwind, he wasn't going to run 39, so it really didn't matter. What do you think?
Anthony Warren

Should Parrish have opted up at the Masters? 36 votes

CP should have run up the line from -32 without opting up.
25%
ScarletArrowDeke[Deleted User]h2oskikonajipster43eyepeelerWish501Brandon 9 votes
CP should have started at -35 to get the -39 headwind.
33%
DWRogerPSMThan_BoganEd_Johnsondave2ballBulldogNick SullivanWIskierMickeyThompsonjackskiMattP_Evil_Twin 12 votes
CP should have opted up from -32 to -38 .
41%
[Deleted User]scotchipmandislanddrewPhilForrestGumpKelvinMrJonesbmiller3536MarkTimmJody_Sealschroedgjohnsonklindypvysohlid 15 votes

Comments

  • ForrestGumpForrestGump Posts: 6,136
    CP should have opted up from -32 to -38 .
    Whether he went out at 35 or opted past 35, doesn't really matter. 6 of one. Half a dozen of the other. Sometimes you roll the dice and they come up snake eyes. The skier you talked to was right.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 1,806 Mega Baller
    CP should have opted up from -32 to -38 .
    No question. 38 as your second pass seems like a big jump, but he has been running it for close to 20 years. Besides, he did not appear to be in trouble, something weird just happened at 3.
  • ScarletArrowScarletArrow Posts: 822 Crazy Baller
    CP should have run up the line from -32 without opting up.
    I just found it interesting that 3 of the 4 finalists took a different approach in dealing with the wind.
    Anthony Warren
  • eyepeelereyepeeler Posts: 192 Baller
    CP should have run up the line from -32 without opting up.
    What about 32 head, 35 tail, and then all in, opt to 39 head.
    Matt Dillon
    Onside135
  • 6balls6balls Posts: 5,466 Mega Baller
    @eyepeeler, that's what I was thinking as well.
    Dave Ross--die cancer die
  • skidawgskidawg Posts: 3,369 Mega Baller
    This is the old which came first chicken or egg! 38 is an easy pass for cp, shoulda ran it
    Mr. Mom is Horton's favorite movie!
    Onside135
  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,723 Administrator
    He knows what he is doing - Just was not his day.

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  • gjohnsongjohnson Posts: 337 Solid Baller
    CP should have opted up from -32 to -38 .
    There must be some weird bounce back from the pavilion on the buoy CP fell around. Last year in the finals, T-Gas & Willy went done at the same buoy in much better conditions. Both skiers didn't appear to be in any trouble at the time.
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,723 Administrator
    I did not talk to CP but yes the water was MOVING!

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  • ScarletArrowScarletArrow Posts: 822 Crazy Baller
    CP should have run up the line from -32 without opting up.
    Again? Sounds like there's some history between these two?
    Anthony Warren
  • KelvinKelvin Posts: 1,228 Mega Baller
    CP should have opted up from -32 to -38 .
    "What about 32 head, 35 tail, and then all in, opt to 39 head."

    By taking that approach, he would have had to run a full 6 buoys at 39 for the win. Any thing short of that - say 5.5 - would have been scored as 38 off and Nate gets the win. By opting up at 38, all he would have needed at 39 was the 5.5 - In this case, not much difference, but its there.
    Kelvin Kelm, Lakes of Katy, Katy Texas
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,808 Mega Baller
    CP should have started at -35 to get the -39 headwind.
    I think his basic strategy was absolutely right. Gotta get essentially all of -39, and if you're gonna get that then you have to be able to run -38 tail. Anytime you need essentially all of a very difficult pass then the best strategy is to take the one before that with the tail.

    Personally, I would not want to take the huge jump of the opt-up into the tail wind direction. Relating it to my skill level, the gap between a -28 head and a -35 tail is so ridiculously huge that I wouldn't feel ready for it. But I don't really like opt ups even when opting up into a headwind, so I guess it's a given that I wouldn't opt up into a tailwind.

    So I voted for going -35 off the dock. But I assume that CP has enough experience doing various opt-ups that he felt comfortable with this one. So I don't literally mean "CP should have done it my way" -- I just voted for the way I would do it in a similar situation.

    (Not that I've ever been in a truly similar situation, but you know what I mean!)
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • gjohnsongjohnson Posts: 337 Solid Baller
    CP should have opted up from -32 to -38 .
    TGAS started at 12m in order to get the 10.75m head wind. But his strategy didn't work either. The Masters is a tough place to ski. Every year something unexpected happens and skiers end up in the drink earlier than expected.
    Greg Johnson ~ Team Beer
    eyepeeler
  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,723 Administrator
    @ScarletArrow Don't Listen to Brent.

    You guys realize that CP does a lot of big opt up. He and Andy had a plan and let me say it again...

    It was just not his day. It happens.

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  • WishWish Posts: 8,137 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited May 2012
    CP should have run up the line from -32 without opting up.
    Didn't see Nates skiing on Sat but he sure made it lake look like it was not ruff at all. K.C. showed the same easy looking runs in the OBrien head to head. Does anyone ever get to practice on Robins lake?
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • ScarletArrowScarletArrow Posts: 822 Crazy Baller
    CP should have run up the line from -32 without opting up.
    No practice at Robin.
    Anthony Warren
  • skidawgskidawg Posts: 3,369 Mega Baller
    Actually, if you watch the video very close you can see that something in the pavillion caught CP's attention coming into 3 ball, It was Hortons big ass hair. This small distraction cost him a shot at victory. It is all Hortons fault. I say he needs his head shaved!!!!!
    Mr. Mom is Horton's favorite movie!
    Onside135
  • MattPMattP Posts: 6,216 Mega Baller
    Horton was not on the pavillion at the time.
  • gjohnsongjohnson Posts: 337 Solid Baller
    CP should have opted up from -32 to -38 .
    @Wish CP looked great on Saturday while netting 3 buoys at 10.25m, one buoy off his course record. He was the only skier to take down 10.75m all weekend.
    Greg Johnson ~ Team Beer
  • skidawgskidawg Posts: 3,369 Mega Baller
    @mattp...why u trying to ruin my attempt at harassing the hairball
    Mr. Mom is Horton's favorite movie!
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,808 Mega Baller
    CP should have started at -35 to get the -39 headwind.
    @skidawg Was that really MattP or a certain guy with admin priveleges?

    Btw, next insane bet for Horton should involve shaving his head if he loses...
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • MattPMattP Posts: 6,216 Mega Baller
    @skidawg I spent the weekend with him. He's not all evil...
    @Than I do have admin privileges. And he will never cut the hair,
  • ForrestGumpForrestGump Posts: 6,136
    CP should have opted up from -32 to -38 .
    You know, Horton will be at the Cypress Big Dawg. There's enough of us from BOS that will be there. We could just hold him down, duct tape him up, and cut his hair ourselves. Yeah. Think about it. Superman without his cape. The Intergalactic Leader without his hair. What a parallel!
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • skidawgskidawg Posts: 3,369 Mega Baller
    i'll throw in a $100 for charity for a shaved head.
    Mr. Mom is Horton's favorite movie!
  • ScarletArrowScarletArrow Posts: 822 Crazy Baller
    CP should have run up the line from -32 without opting up.
    How much if CP himself handles the clippers?
    Anthony Warren
  • WishWish Posts: 8,137 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    CP should have run up the line from -32 without opting up.
    Should start poll thread
    How much would you danate the see the hair go for cancer (Melinoma) research.
    $10
    20
    50
    100
    More
    Or not interested
    At least you'll know what the potential is.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • DWDW Posts: 2,243 Mega Baller
    CP should have started at -35 to get the -39 headwind.
    Second guessing strategy is alway easier than planning forward for the conditions, bottom line, top level athletes tend to go for the win and sometimes the consequences are major. The weekend had a couple of good examples, Takuma Sato attempted an ill timed pass at the Indy 500 that cost him the win and about $2 mil. in cash and left the team with a hulk of busted race car and the Toro Rosso team whiffed on a tire choice strategy that cost the driver a possible win, no chance to go from zero to hero because the rain did not come.
  • ForrestGumpForrestGump Posts: 6,136
    CP should have opted up from -32 to -38 .
    My crew chief always told me when we were racing "Bring back the trophy or the steering wheel. 2nd place is first loser."
    Shane "Crash" Hill

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