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HortonHorton Posts: 28,791 Administrator
edited July 2012 in Technique & Theory
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  • SMSM Posts: 529 Crazy Baller
    I'll bite. He's running late but still changes his edge early and will avoid eating slack after the ball because of it. It's all in the facial expression.
    Time spent on the water is time well spent.
    Garn
  • HortonHorton Posts: 28,791 Administrator
    @SM hmmmm forget where he is as far as early or late and he always makes terrible faces.

    See how far he is from the centerline => see where the ski is in relation to his shoulders => notice his spine angle => notice his connection to the boat => notice where is sternum is pointing

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  • danbirchdanbirch Posts: 301 Baller
    and notice how close his trailing elbow is to his vest...something that "@danbirch" cannot do...lol
  • skibugskibug Posts: 2,049
    Yes, I understand wholly that he is/was a professional elite skier that can do things that most of us hacks can't or won't ever be able to do...@Horton, thanks for reminding me how much I suck. Have a nice day.
    Bob Grizzi
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 5,989 Mega Baller
    On the sternum front isit that the sternum is more or less pointing in the direction he is going?
    Mark Shaffer
  • WishWish Posts: 7,983 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Optimum handle control and edge change. The ability to separate the upper and lower half of your body. Optimal edge change. I can do that. ....... Happens almost every night in my dreams.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • T-fromTOT-fromTO Posts: 116 Baller
    I think he is trying to start a new school of thought with the sternum facing the direction of the ski. I am not convinced.
    Teresa Wiwchar, Skiin' on my own damn lake!
  • Bruce_ButterfieldBruce_Butterfield Posts: 1,642 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    Yeah, just after the wakes, ski starting to get the ski on its turning edge, handle/elbows inclose, eyes and shoulders level, body in slightly in the "C" position. Not too shabby for a kid.
    I'm Ancient. WTH do I know?
  • BoodyBoody Posts: 613 Baller
    Its about perfect, not late. Has the outbound direction and on his inside edge at the same time. I would love to be able to do that.

    #1 on Butterfield
  • MattPMattP Posts: 6,095 Mega Baller
    edited July 2012
    @Horton only person to somewhat look like Nate Smith after the second wake.
    image
  • thagerthager Posts: 4,847 Mega Baller
    Too much ExLax!
    Stir vigorously then leave!
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,342 Mega Baller
    he's doing a great job of keeping his knees together like Nate, I'm working on that .....
    BallOfSpray Pacific Northwest Vice President of Event Management, aka "Zappy"
  • SkiJaySkiJay Posts: 2,314 Mega Baller
    edited July 2012
    Maybe not the ONLY person ...
    image

    Beautiful onside example:
    image
    www.FinWhispering.com ... Your ski should be your dance partner, not a wrestling opponent
  • sunvalleylawsunvalleylaw Posts: 1,259 Mega Baller
    Newb here trying to figure this out.

    @Horton said: "See how far he is from the centerline => see where the ski is in relation to his shoulders => notice his spine angle => notice his connection to the boat => notice where is sternum is pointing"

    These last two pics, the edge has not changed much yet. First pic it has. I guess that is related to ski relative to shoulders. The other thing i notice is how his shoulders are closed to the boat and sternum is pointed out not down course. I guess this is related to centerline, spine angle and where sternum is pointing. This is different from the consistent down course shoulders and chest suggested by some.

    Connection to the boat, the only thing I can come up with is his arms are fairly in, and he does not seem to be getting pulled into the boat.

    Newb comments only as I try to figure this stuff out.
  • gregygregy Posts: 2,583 Mega Baller
    Wish my edge change looked like that!
  • HO 410HO 410 Posts: 351 Baller
    Skiers should not have to witness the horrors of their photographs taken with are two hands on the handle?
    Nikon D80, 50mm f 1.8, Tokina 12-24mm... Sorry, wrong forum. Josh T.
  • Razorskier1Razorskier1 Posts: 3,425 Mega Baller
    Freakin awesome position on the ski.
    Jim Ross
  • SkiJaySkiJay Posts: 2,314 Mega Baller
    All of these pictures sure highlight how important it is for your rear binding to allow your rear ankle to flex forward ... a lot.
    www.FinWhispering.com ... Your ski should be your dance partner, not a wrestling opponent
  • sunvalleylawsunvalleylaw Posts: 1,259 Mega Baller
    These pics also highlight to me how important a bullet proof, bomber core is to modern skiing. To move in a controlled manner from that knees together chair position must take a ton of strength in the core.
  • TriplettTriplett Posts: 209 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    All these photos basically say is be lined up on the ski, especially in the edge change. That is the one thing that is common to every single pro, no matter the "style" they ski.
    Brent Triplett - Michigan
  • ski6jonesski6jones Posts: 1,056 Mega Baller
    All are still well connected to the boat, but transitioned to the inside edge of the ski.
    Carl Addington, Lakes of Katy, Texas
  • WishWish Posts: 7,983 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Marc Shaw is one of those skiers that manages to keep the ski way way out I front of him in the preturn all the way through the to the finish. I believe the above pic is how he does it. So much out bound speed. Is this a process of sucking the knees up off the second wake to achieve this "C" position? I see AM do this.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • MattPMattP Posts: 6,095 Mega Baller
    edited July 2012
    Ding Ding Ding @Triplett nailed it.
  • bogboybogboy Posts: 699 Solid Baller
    Judge a stud skier like s.s. on a photo? Are you kidding? He is one of the most high end, graceful skiers I have seen.
  • bogboybogboy Posts: 699 Solid Baller
    I will ask him for his autograph on my triumph.
  • Razorskier1Razorskier1 Posts: 3,425 Mega Baller
    Skied open water today cuz the course was blown out. All I tried to do was to be in that position on the second whitewash. What I found most insightful about it was that to be in that position on the second wash required me to think differently about the entire lean. Lean too much and you will never achieve this position. This sport would be so much easier if all you had to do is pull real hard!
    Jim Ross
    Onside135sunvalleylaw
  • sunvalleylawsunvalleylaw Posts: 1,259 Mega Baller
    @Razorskier1, how'd imitating those positions go? What did you notice? did you try to work more the knees or the chest/sternum/shoulders, or all of it? How did your edge change go?

    And about pulling, yeah, right? I always had a good strong pull. I wish it was that easy. Now I am starting over basically after years of just getting a few freeski pulls a year. At least I got an invite to one of the private lakes with a course next week. If that works out, maybe I will be back in the course more regularly. :-)
  • sunvalleylawsunvalleylaw Posts: 1,259 Mega Baller
    @Razorskier1, thanks for the answer in the other thread. As I said there, I probably need to focus on finding my fundamentals and rhythm before getting too fired up about what the Big Dawgs are doing at 39.5 off. But then again, maybe not. Maybe it will be good to start figuring it out as a re-start this whole thing. I will have to experiment with the open shoulders vs. what I am seeing in the pics above. In the past, if I closed my shoulders, it was more behind the boat as I leveraged away to create speed, hopefully progressively before I let off before the edge change. I might have to re-think all that.

    I hopefully will get some decent open water time this weekend to experiment. Main thought there is going to be to clean up my release and keep control of the handle a whole lot better than I was remembering to do free skiing a few times a year the last few years.
  • Razorskier1Razorskier1 Posts: 3,425 Mega Baller
    Doing this was interesting. It felt like I was squeezing my core, squeezing my elbows to my vest, and squeezing the handle all at the same time (along with squeezing my knees together). A whole lot of squeezing.
    Jim Ross
  • sunvalleylawsunvalleylaw Posts: 1,259 Mega Baller
    @Razorskier1, It is interesting that modern moves in alpine snow skiing are more core oriented and involve very active and flexed core muscles. Good idea for us late 40-something skiers to keep up the core work.
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