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Masterline Pro lock Failures?

skibugskibug Posts: 1,979
edited July 2012 in Skis Fins Bindings
This is the second pair that I have had fail in the last 6 weeks, the strap always gives way right at the wrist. I love these gloves. I have a few older pair 1 - 3 seasons old that are still usable and I do use them as backups.

Has anyone else been experiencing this type of failure. It was the right hand glove both times.
Bob Grizzi
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  • 6balls6balls Posts: 4,881 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Blew one last week same way after taking WAY too much ball and shooting the handle. Had also worn a hole in the glove material as had been wearing them all season so they did have a lot of sets on them. Having said that, I had multiple pairs of clinchers go multiple seasons w/no failures. It seems the Pro-locks are not quite as durable the clinchers were.
    I still think the benefits outweigh the liabilities.
    Dave Ross--die cancer die
  • skibugskibug Posts: 1,979
    These were the second pair that failed after about 2-3 weeks of use. I still have about 4 pairs of clinchers from new to a few seasons old that I won't ever part with.
    Bob Grizzi
  • WishWish Posts: 7,317 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Strongly suggest moving to the Radar Vice "clincher gloves" Far better build, far better materials, far better design. Believe it or not, Radar took the clincher concept and raised the bar WAY up. Easier to put on. Much more comfortable (wider, cushier wrist strap). More durable. On and on. I've used both the old clinchers and the ML. Radar is hands down THE best and I hope they never stop making them. If you find yourself at a pro-shop, try a pair of ML on and then the Radars. Truly no comparison and a no brainier.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • 6balls6balls Posts: 4,881 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @wish thanks, actually have a pair of those about to show up so will have direct comparison.
    Dave Ross--die cancer die
  • WishWish Posts: 7,317 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @6balls. The ML's work well for work gloves after you cut off the strap. Won't be good for much of anything else once you try the Radars. Geeez, I should get a kick back or something. Seriously, I'm not one to tout a product but these are really really good if you a clincher guy. There is somewhat of a size dif though. I found the Radars to fit tighter than the ML but I like that. ML seemed to get lose when wet. Radars do not. I have a M in both. I would suggest making a fist before locking down the short strap on top of the hand. It can be over tightened and you wont know you've over tightened it till its to late and it can stress out the seam a bit where the strap is stitched to the glove. Other than that (and now you know so non issue) after 6 months with them..... no issues or wear.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • 6balls6balls Posts: 4,881 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @wish the day I broke the strap I cut it off and kept skiing. Looking forward to the Radar gloves...I was not excited until your post. Strangely, Radar makes a hell of a 3 place tube for the kids as well...best tube I have ever owned.
    Dave Ross--die cancer die
  • WishWish Posts: 7,317 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @6balls I'll be very interested to hear what you think of them compared to the ML and the old Clincheres.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
    MickeyThompson
  • skibugskibug Posts: 1,979
    I could not get the radars to fit right.
    Bob Grizzi
  • WishWish Posts: 7,317 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @skibug were you able to try on different sizes?? I was perplexed wether I should go with the really snug fit of the M or a little lose of the L (which felt like ML med). Snug fit much better but the strap in top of my hand cannot be stretched to where you think it should go. My goes half way. That's the reason for the making a fist suggestion. Love the snug fit (in store felt tight) having picked the mediums.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • skibugskibug Posts: 1,979
    @Wish, last year I was at Performance Ski & Surf and tried all of them on side by side. I couldn't get the radars to fit right. The size I needed to get the correct finger length were too tight across the hand; meaning I couldn't even get them on. The next size up fit across the hand (tight) but the glove fingers were too long; meaning I couldn't get the tips of my fingers to the end of the glove, leaving the doll part of the glove too floppy. maybe I shoudl try again and see if I can make them work.
    Bob Grizzi
  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 1,150 Crazy Baller
    I have bought a new pair every year for the last 3 years and have never had that happen or seen that happen to anyone. I would say buy a new pair every season, grip the handle with your fingers and it wont put stress on the lower part of the strap.
  • willwill Posts: 21 Baller
    Really like the ML but noticed with the new pair (with the metal "d" rings)
    has a different fit. Longer web strap and tighter across the palm so the strap after 20 sets or so is already too long and starting to "bunch" up when I come back on the handle. No failures ...........boy that seems like it would take a lot of loading to have it tear off. The Radar fit issue was the same for me. Med (Clinch and ML size) was too small and Lg was too big!?
  • scuppersscuppers Posts: 391 Baller
    The Radar's are much, much better in use than the ML's. In the shop just trying them on it seemed like the ML's would be better but the strap bunched up on me after just a couple of sets and the overall fit and performance went out the window pretty much right after they got wet.
    Chuck Link, Deland Florida
  • MCskiFreakMCskiFreak Posts: 326 Baller
    Im on my second season with the same set of Radars and they are hands down the best glove I have ever had. Perfect fit for me and are holding up well.
    Matt Welton - Resident boat nerd
  • skibugskibug Posts: 1,979
    This is bump and update for those who might encounter the same issue I had with the strap blowing out. I talked to Randy Shoener at Masterline today. He told me that they can add a reinforcement strap the the Pro Locks so that they won't blow out. Apparently this is what they do for Jonathan Travers. I don't think it is advertised as an option though; so, you would probably have to call Masterline directly.
    Bob Grizzi
  • 6balls6balls Posts: 4,881 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    That's stupid. Make a great product or don't. I'm two weeks into my second set of pro-locks and though the straps are still intact a seam is coming apart. C'mon. Looking forward to my Radar trial.
    Dave Ross--die cancer die
    MattP
  • Razorskier1Razorskier1 Posts: 3,425 Mega Baller
    @6balls -- if I see you in NG this weekend I'll bring them with me.
    Jim Ross
  • MattPMattP Posts: 5,973 Mega Baller
    @6balls you ski more than the average person...
  • 6balls6balls Posts: 4,881 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @mattp it's just frustrating...the clinchers were really durable. I don't put sets on the boat like @razorskier1. I get out pretty reliably 4X/week on avg, some are one setters, some two and usually 6 passes or so/set. At that rate, I shouldn't be popping seams at 2 weeks.
    The first pair did last 1/2 season before strap blow out...that I could accept.
    Dave Ross--die cancer die
  • jdarwinjdarwin Posts: 1,379 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    The issue is not to get them too small - same thing w/ the prior version (Clinchers). If they are too small, it puts too much leverage on the strap. ML made some improvements to this year's version and mine have held up great.
    Joe Darwin
  • teammalibuteammalibu Posts: 683 Crazy Baller
    edited July 2012
    Gee Wally they told me I was the only one that can destroy a pair in 4 sets. I keep tearing them up and having JD order some more.
    Mike Erb Cedar Ridge Canton Miss.
    Horton is my hero
  • skibugskibug Posts: 1,979
    @teammalibu, strap failure?
    Bob Grizzi
  • teammalibuteammalibu Posts: 683 Crazy Baller
    Pulled off several straps. Main thing was last year the glove aside from the strap was like tissue paper. The new one are a little thicker. Its a love hate thing. love the way they work but hate going thru 10 pair a year.
    Mike Erb Cedar Ridge Canton Miss.
    Horton is my hero
  • skibugskibug Posts: 1,979
    Hopefully the special request reinforced strap from Masterline will solve the problem. I wonder how many skiers just don't report the failures and buy another pair? More skiers should give constructive feed back so that they can improve the product. It is one I hope to continue using.
    Bob Grizzi
  • BoodyBoody Posts: 613 Baller
    @jdarwin and @skibug - I also tried the medium Radars and couldn't get them to fit right. Had to got back to the ML which were a little on the "loose side", but at least I could ski. Both size M. Maybe I wil try a size large in the Radars and see how that goes. Expensive "experiment" tho.

    The clinchers were great, fit perfect, oh well.
  • 6balls6balls Posts: 4,881 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Blew another strap today on the ML's, though less upset given it was too much 1 ball at 39 (meaning I ran my 3rd 38 this year...yeehaw). Have one pair of used but decent shape clinchers so going back that way until I get my Radars. Not spending another dime on the ML's.
    Dave Ross--die cancer die
  • MattPMattP Posts: 5,973 Mega Baller
    @6balls send them to ML see if they will replace them.
  • skibugskibug Posts: 1,979
    edited July 2012
    They have been great about replacing mine. When they replace them; have them add the reinforced strap.
    Bob Grizzi
  • A_BA_B Posts: 3,993 Mega Baller
    ML seems a lot harder to put on than my Clinchers. My most recent pair of Locks have the back strap caddywumpas and only pulls on one half of the metal piece where it doubles back.

    I normally wear XXL Masters Curves and XL ML Pro Locks.

    What size Radars should I order?

    Also, on clincher-tupe gloves that your fingers extend too much, I was shown a trick by a long time Clincher user. Get a high quality glue and glue the strap by the fingers down and put a clamp on it, he said closing a door on it works too. This shortens up the strap and closes your grip slightly.
  • Ed_ObermeierEd_Obermeier Posts: 1,339 Crazy Baller
    edited July 2012
    Are all these failures only from this years crop of gloves? I've got 3 pair I bought at the beginning of last season - kinda wore one pair out, am working on the 2nd pair, still have one brand new pair in reserve. I've never had an issue which is what makes me wonder if this is specific to this years production. And I'm bending handles in half :>) so I'm loading them plenty hard enough...
    Ed Obermeier - owner, EZ-Slalom Course Systems
    www.ez-slalom.com
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