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Electric Boat - Ski Nautique

Skoot1123Skoot1123 Posts: 2,050 Mega Baller
Anyone hear if there is going to be a marketable electric ski boat? Nautique's was promoting it a while ago but it seems to have faded. With fuel price's the way they are, I bet there might be some interest in it, although the electric motor and batteries may not make it very viable. Thoughts?
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  • swc5150swc5150 Posts: 2,491 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    I think if there was truly a strong demand, it would already be on the market. With the additional cost of the boat itself, replacement batteries and the added cost to ones electric bill, I wonder how long you would have to own one before you would actually come out ahead?
    Scott Calderwood
  • Skoot1123Skoot1123 Posts: 2,050 Mega Baller
    @swc5150 - I have been wondering the same thing. It's probably a fairly small market, considering that it would have to charge after 5 or 6 sets.
  • WishWish Posts: 8,239 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited November 2012
    They may get forced to make them now.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
    Ed_Johnson
  • jackskijackski Posts: 265 Baller
    If we all go electric the utility companies will just raise the price of electricity as per suppy/demand rules just like the fuel companies are doing now (record profits). Carefull for what you wish.
    Jack
  • RazorRoss3RazorRoss3 Posts: 1,378 Mega Baller
    solar pannels aren't exactly the cheapest investment either though and imagine having to charge a boat every 6 sets at a tournament. Even class C tournaments usually have 30+ skiers and state, regionals, and nationals have more than I care to count, charging a battery takes a little longer than filling up the tank in my experience and would have to be done more often.
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 4,614 Mega Baller
    From what I saw on the electric Nautique, they were not promoting the boat, they had simply built one along with a company that engineers electric drive trains for the marine environment.



    Last updates 2011 - http://www.ltsmarine.com/EN/category/news/

    Thing is waterski is a specific market, but we have some advantages, for instance a private ski lake you can have the infrastructure for an electric boat built onto the lake. Be that a charging port dock/lift. Or extra battery pack that drops into the boat from the boat house.


    Open water you'd need a lot more than 3-4 sets of run time to even get to where I ski and back from the dock.

    But I think we'll see more LPG and diesel options before that here in the states.
  • BulldogBulldog Posts: 1,035 Crazy Baller
    This boat would NEVER sell... The high cost would kill it.
    Mike Loeffler - "Someone somewhere is having a real problem today...My bad skiing is NOT one of them"
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 4,614 Mega Baller
    @bulldog - I don't think it is the purchase price - so much as that in this industry serious waterskiers upgrade their boats very frequently, some every season, others every 2 seasons.

    That's often not enough time to recoup the upgrade cost.

    When MC had the diesel option people were working numbers, I think the VW Turbodiesel plant was an additional 20-25 grand over the base Prostar 190. Which is great, if you use it enough to recoup the 20-25 grand in fuel over the time you use it with enough margin to the benefit from it.

    The gas-diesel comparison however you usually have fuel that is similar in price in the US, diesel is a bit more than gas around these parts now, so you have to get a realistic consumption/hour number. And then factor it out. I think for my family's use the boat would have recouped the upgrade cost of the engine over about 7 years. Way too long to be useful.

    If you were a ski club and you could charge fast enough, or swap the battery cell and not have unrealistic down time (hot swap when getting new skier) then you could recoup that cost MUCH quicker. Depending on electric rates.

    Now we have boats that make wakes, those wakes could perhaps raise floating wake buffers which would create energy. Like a tidal electric generator... could work. - factoring it out over long enough.
  • RynoRyno Posts: 252 Baller
    Oil isn't going to last forever... In around 100 years haven't we used about 50% of the worlds reserves??? It won't last another 50, given the rate we're using it these days.
    Sure electric isn't viable now, give it another 5 - 10 years... The price of oil may give us no other option.
    Ryan McGill - South Coast, New South Wales, Australia
  • rodltg2rodltg2 Posts: 1,051 Crazy Baller
    If the boats will soley used on private lakes, could someone make it run like a city bus? Intall electric wires over the lake!! LOL

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    Brady
  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,618 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @rodltg2 wouldn't that just be a cable course? Just get rid of the bus! Pull a Dumb sled with a hull that is identical to a current model. Weight it appropriately, etc. you could put a judge or judges in the 'boat' with whatever electronics you'd need or want. That thing could then go up ad down the lake all day long powered from the shore.

    Back to the original post, the electric option is pretty cool but likely not practical as discussed.
    Keith Lindemulder
    AWSA Chairman of the Board
    AWSA Southern Region EVP
  • Skoot1123Skoot1123 Posts: 2,050 Mega Baller
    While I think an electric boat is "interesting" I would probably never buy one. I would miss the rumble of the engine starting up and taking off with a skier in tow! There is something uniquely relaxing about that sound of a boat on/in the water. We would all miss out without that "noise" element to it!
    As far as oil and energy, I have thoughts about that which would need a different thread.
  • Hugh NicholsHugh Nichols Posts: 111 Baller
    How about a boat running on cng?
    Hugh Nichols
  • GAJ0004GAJ0004 Posts: 1,095 Baller
    Until someone invents and electric powered vehicle that can do the same job as my gasoline powered one for the same amount or less money, I am sticking with what works..
    Gary Janzig Streetsboro Ohio, skis at Lake Latonka, Mercer Pennsylvania slalom,trick,kneeboard,barefoot
    Skoot1123
  • XR6HurricaneXR6Hurricane Posts: 328 Baller
    It will be a long time before we run out of oil. More and more is being discovered all the time. And don't think for a second that Saudi Arabia is being truthful about how much they have left. Plus U.S. oil production is on track to exceed the Saudis in another 10 years or so. Doesn't mean we shouldn't conserve it where we can, but running out is not an immediate threat. They said we were running out in the '70s. Forty years later and more is out there now than ever. Only problem is it will become too expensive to extract long before we actually run out.

    Propane and bio fuels would be the next logical step for boats.
    Skoot1123Than_BoganBradysunnshinne
  • thagerthager Posts: 5,186 Mega Baller
    For the way that I ski it could work. I generally ski one set per day usually just before dark and then put it away. If there is another skier (rare) 4 passes are the max my boat has seen in years. Recharge overnight and repeat. The cost right now is to high for my beer taste. Therefore I will keep my 02 196 as is!
    Stir vigorously then leave!
    Brady
  • ToddFToddF Posts: 595 Solid Baller
    If I could get 60 passes on a charge I would think about it.
    The Tesla S model gets 300 miles on a charge and costs about 70k which is comparable to any bmw or mercedes, heck even hyundai has, a car close to that price. And the fit and finish of the tesla is equal to the bmw and the mercedes.

    So, yes someone could make a boat that would be priced reasonably and get the FULL day mileage out of it. Who is going to step up to the plate?
  • wilecoyotewilecoyote Posts: 197 Baller
    I for one love it. Not for the ski club or the tournament, but for private use, it would be excellent. No smoke no noise, you could probably talk to your skier! No gas cans. How do you winterise and electric motor? For guys like me who only use the boat on weekends, you could charge it on very small solar panels during the week, The real deal killer for me is though, is the short run time. On those rare occasions that you have a group out for a day on the water, you're screwed. Plug in hybrid anyone?

    On the down side, what most people dont't realize is that approx 70% of the US electricity is produced by burning fossil fuels, and transmission of electricity is only about 10% efficient, So until those numbers change, you aren't doing anything for the environment by going electric anything.
  • WishWish Posts: 8,239 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited November 2012
    What @wilecoyots said in his last paragraph. Accept I think it's more then most people. If that's possible.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • dthatedthate Posts: 181 Baller
    I love my gas powered boat, but what is interesting about an electric boat would be solar charging with extra battery packs and off the grid, and not having to answer to a bureacrat for fuel.
    auskier
  • jipster43jipster43 Posts: 1,446 Crazy Baller
    Anything that drives technology forward is okay in my book. I'd hate to see @Horton out of a job though.
  • auskierauskier Posts: 460 Baller
    if electric cars were charged on 100% coal generated electricity it would still be 'greener' than a toyota prius.
    I for one would rather power my boat and car with home generated solar electricity than relying on multinational corporations, sending money to the mid east and being taxed in the process.

    there will come a time in the not too distant future where its possible to drive twice the range of your gas car with a tank of gas and charging time taking less than it would be to pump your tank full of gas. the technology exists, just a matter of time. how much were early computers?
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    Toby
    Skoot1123ToddF
  • Skoot1123Skoot1123 Posts: 2,050 Mega Baller
    @auskier - love that picture. Hilarious now that we know you can get an 8GB HD SD chip for your camera for $15. Yes, that's right $15!!!!! An analogy I like to use is, NASA: the stuff they design/create is not available to the public for 10 or more years. So yes, there is that technology out there, it just isn't COMMERCIALLY viable. One day we might see a commercially viable electric ski boat, but I'm sticking with gas for now!!!
  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 6,131 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    CNG Rocks
    Shut up and ski
  • swc5150swc5150 Posts: 2,491 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    I love that hard drive brochure! I don't think it's really an apples comparison however, as electric vehicle were being developed back in those times as well. Obviously mass demand for computer components drove the costs down. 40 years later, and our cell phones have a 1,000 fold the capability of a Cray 1, and they're dirt cheap (many "free" with a data plan). Electric vehicle technology has come a long way too, don't get me wrong, but if was really the way of the future, it should/would be way further along than it is - and it's still really expensive. I would think CNG or hydrogen fuel cells may be more viable? I think I may have a dinosaur mentality, as I still believe the good old gasoline engine is the way of the future. Maybe not a gas guzzling V8, but a gas engine just the same. With new oil reserves being discovered, and modern technology to extract oil previously unattainable, I don't believe we are in any danger of running out. High prices won't come from lack of resources, but lack of government approval to go get it. I certainly don't want to get political, but that's the reality we live in.
    Scott Calderwood
    Skoot1123
  • Skoot1123Skoot1123 Posts: 2,050 Mega Baller
    @swc5150 - as someone that is awaiting approval from a government entity, I can tell you it is a BEAR.

    The only issue I see with either CNG or hydrogen is the storage. The power density of CNG and hydrogen isn't as great as either diesel or gasoline. So you will have to burn more to get the same power out of it. It's all a give and take. I believe some of the boats in Europe use propane for fuel - someone can comment on that.

    Long and short is, alternatives are nice to have, but I know where I'm putting my money!
  • swc5150swc5150 Posts: 2,491 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Skoot1123
    LOL, I hear ya! I work with one of our large gov institutions on a daily basis, so I feel your pain! I fondly refer to them as the "department of redundancy department".
    Scott Calderwood
  • WishWish Posts: 8,239 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    I can confirm that a boat at a ski a ski school in Italy uses propain. It's just cheaper.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • dave_ndave_n Posts: 66 Baller
    edited November 2012
    We use CC200s running on LPG. Large storage tank on site. Bulk buy, under half fuel costs I think. LPG storage at lakes in some European countries is restricted by red tape and the need for permits that are difficult to obtain, eg. Poland. Pretty sure it's common in France, I seem to remember they run their Malibus on gas at Lacanau ( that's Liquid Protrolium Gas )
  • ForrestGumpForrestGump Posts: 6,209
    Even conventional gasoline V8's have come a long way in last 10 years. The coyote 5.0 makes 370 +horsepower and gets stupid gas mileage in my new truck in comparison to the 6.0 Chevy I had in 06. Like double the mileage.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

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