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Tige/Rossi

rodltg2rodltg2 Posts: 1,051 Crazy Baller
I noticed in the Rossi thread that he was what looked like behind a Tige. I checked out the Tige web page and they indeed still build a ski boat. I'm curious as to why they would build a ski boat, sponsor slalom pros , but not do much else to promote the boat or 3 event. I know it cost tons of money to get aswa approved and the whole bit , so maybe the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.
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  • ForrestGumpForrestGump Posts: 6,108
    Some people in the know claim that Tige will overtake Malibu as the 3rd member of the Big 3 before too much longer. They have hired some strategic people away from Malibu lately. Scuttlebut is that Tige's 20i will get submitted to the boat test next year.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

    Brady
  • rodltg2rodltg2 Posts: 1,051 Crazy Baller
    Wow. That's a big claim !
  • A_BA_B Posts: 4,242 Mega Baller
    Well, he has a pic of his new Tige on his Facebook page:
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    Brady
  • WishWish Posts: 8,058 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    I skied behind his boat this past early spring. They would have to make some hull mods to compete with the big three and Carbon Pro. No one would want to ski at a tourny behind it if the others are there.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • ForrestGumpForrestGump Posts: 6,108
    The 20i has no worse a wake than some of the MC197s that are out there. And yet people still ski behind them.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

    usaski1
  • WishWish Posts: 8,058 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Skied behind 2012 MCs. MCs better IMHO. Graphics are better on the pic above.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • MattPMattP Posts: 6,138 Mega Baller
    @wish there are other boats that others do not prefer but have to ski behind if that's the boat being used for the round thats what you get stuck with.
    Graphics really...?
    rico
  • liquid dliquid d Posts: 1,232 Mega Baller
    That carbon pro is a great boat. Looks sharp and skis shortline well.
  • tfriesstfriess Posts: 401 Baller
    that Tige looks sick!
    Can I just ski 24/7?
  • WishWish Posts: 8,058 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited December 2012
    My point= surprisingly poor wake for todays standards. Thought I hit a curb at 28. Do not feel that behind anything else. Reminded me of a Sanger closed bow I skied behind. Once you get used to it and are aware of it it's doable. They have some work to do.......just sayn. And I meant the boat in pic looks better then last yrs.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
    Brady
  • Texas6Texas6 Posts: 2,197
    I have to agree that the Tige is a good looking boat, and having been in many of them, they make a good boat. With manufacturing from the great state of Texas, I'd love to see them make the improvements necessary to challenge the big three. But I agree they do need to make some improvements
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  • A_BA_B Posts: 4,242 Mega Baller
    @Wish, maybe they have some mold deviation on that curb you hit. Hydrodyne was like that. Two of my friends had them, and one had a real hard bump, not high, but like a curb as you say, and the other one was butter. I think the big 3 have more consistency in mold replication.
  • WishWish Posts: 8,058 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @AB. That sounds reasonable but it was his boat I was behind. He told me I'd get used to it. And i did. One would think if there was a butter soft one, it would be on his lift.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • Ed_ObermeierEd_Obermeier Posts: 1,343 Crazy Baller
    That pic makes it look a little bit like my '05 LXI, especially the windshield. With former Malibu people taking over there, if they'd put out a near copy of the '03 - 06 LXI, particularly the wetted half of the hull, and price them a few thousand less than the current TXI they'd likely sell a ton of 'em.
    Ed Obermeier - owner, EZ-Slalom Course Systems
    www.ez-slalom.com
  • Razorskier1Razorskier1 Posts: 3,425 Mega Baller
    Unfortunately the slalom boat market isn't very big and over the years it has been largely saturated as more and more promo boats get bought and the total population of slalom junkies with a wallet big enough to buy a boat isn't growing. Hard to see how another boat company makes any money in the slalom market. No surprise that all of them have gone to building "family boats", aka V-drives, and big wakeboard rides.
    Jim Ross
  • MattPMattP Posts: 6,138 Mega Baller
    @razorskier1 I dont care how many "family boats, aka V-drives" are sold as long as it keeps the 3 event boats in production.
  • Razorskier1Razorskier1 Posts: 3,425 Mega Baller
    @MattP -- I don't care unless they are sold to people on my lake!!! :-)
    Jim Ross
  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,210 Administrator
    My understanding is roughly

    Promo boats are bad for dealers but help the factories with cash flow during the months when dealers are slow.

    Promo guys get boats at about dealer cost so factories get paid the same but faster.

    Tige has a mold that they believe could hang with the other 3 for slalom but is unsure if it is worth the trouble.

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  • Ed_ObermeierEd_Obermeier Posts: 1,343 Crazy Baller
    edited December 2012
    If they already have the mould, if it truely is up to par with the Big 3, and if they're already building some slalom boats anyway, what do they have to lose?

    Another thought. The family boat market I would suppose is more impacted by the economy where slalom although a small part of the market is perhaps a more stable part of the market? If true and if they can carve out a bigger chunk of that market, is that not a net positive for their bottom line?
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,210 Administrator
    There is a hard limit on the total number of slalom focused boats that can be sold every year.

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  • Ed_ObermeierEd_Obermeier Posts: 1,343 Crazy Baller
    But they're already building some, how many are they selling with their current reputation for wake quality or lack there of? IF they have a competitive wake quality hull mould ready to use they've apparently already invested the R&D money. Put it in production and see if you can steal some market share from the others. Seems to be working for Centurian.
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  • bogboybogboy Posts: 699 Solid Baller
    How is this for out of the box. A light weight cat piercing hull with almost no wake. Might not go round the islands very well though.
  • WaternutWaternut Posts: 1,511 Crazy Baller
    Heck I think the slalom focused boats are already more family oriented than slalom oriented but that's just my opinion.
    BraceMaker
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 4,373 Mega Baller
    +1 jfw432 - but I think that's the only way to sell em.
  • WishWish Posts: 8,058 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    I did find the 20i to be very very family oriented. The bow seating is generous and very deep compared to other "toss your kids overboard" bows of late. The seats sit high so your knees aren't stuck in your chest. The gunnels stand very tall giving a great sense of safety. Tall functional windshield that does not require yoga positions to see past the frame. For the length, the boat feels very roomy. IMHO if the running surface is on par or gets there like the Carbon Pro or SN then this will be the boat for the family of skiers to look at. Get it a few grand, as said above, and it would give them a run for their money if marketed along side the runabouts.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • ForrestGumpForrestGump Posts: 6,108
    There are a LOT of new people at Tige with a lot of high end marine industry experience that came on board in the last 12-18 months. Chris Chrysdale came over from Malibu and is adding new dealers like crazy. Rick Correll took over as president and was named the top mover and shaker in the marine industry by Boating Industry Magazine. They are primed to make a big jump.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,210 Administrator
    One of the things I learned from the little Malibu R&D I helped with 2 years ago: Weight is a huge deal. Simple things like upholstery add up really fast. You can get 500 pounds out of a boat really easy if you take out all the carpet and upholstery. No one but the most hard core slalom skier will want that boat so the factories have to add back all the soft stuff. Open bow is even worse.

    I also learned that .1” change in the hull in the right place is the difference between a good slalom boat and a crap slalom boat. If you are not chasing balls you most likely do not know the difference.

    So if you are Tige and you make money selling boats to none tournament skiers, is it really worth the trouble to re-engineer your boat for the slalom guys? My guess (and it is just a guess) is that the hull they have is pretty good but it is unclear if it is worth the trouble to build a boat on top of that hull that we want.

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  • Ed_ObermeierEd_Obermeier Posts: 1,343 Crazy Baller
    So if you are Tige and you make money selling boats to non tournament skiers, is it really worth the trouble to re-engineer your boat for the slalom guys? My guess (and it is just a guess) is that the hull they have is pretty good but it is unclear if it is worth the trouble to build a boat on top of that hull that we want.
    My best guess is that the money Tige is making on non slalom skiers is in wakeboard and wake surf boats, not true inboards (or what we refer to as "slalom boats"). If they're selling a few full inboard "slalom" boats now with the current wake quality (however you want to quantify that), wouldn't tweaking the hull a bit to improve the wake to a competitive level without changing much anything else keep the non slalom skier, family boater-type skier customers they already have plus help them to sell even more of these boats to family boater/serious slalom skiers? Again, if they already have a mould ready...
    Ed Obermeier - owner, EZ-Slalom Course Systems
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  • 6balls6balls Posts: 5,377 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    A price point slalom boat is always a tough proposition. The question I ask myself is would I rather buy a new price point boat or a 2 year old big 3 if I'm going to keep the boat. The interior materials/guage clusters etc on the big 3 are usually better...and resale probably better as well.
    Their mold is sunk cost, now have to decide if the project is worth it.
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  • Dacon62Dacon62 Posts: 779 Crazy Baller
    In its present form the 20i needs to shed some serious weight even if they get the hull right.
    If I recall Charlie Pigeon revamped the deck on the Centurion Falcon and called it a Tige 2000 slm comp and started Tige that way.
    Heard that the hull had an awesome wake. Maybe they will introduce an updated version of that?
    I am a Malibu owner and this may sound biased but next time you see a Tige take a look at the waviness of the strakes/chines etc. There is some mold and quality control work to be done as well.
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