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Camaro Blacktec Review

HortonHorton Posts: 30,560 Administrator
edited April 2013 in Reviews

The Blacktec 2 suit from Camaro is the warmest and the most comfortable wetsuit that I have ever skied in. I was very surprised to find out that the Blacktec is not a replacement for the well-known "Modetec Titanium". Instead, it is actually a less expensive alternative. Visit Camaro.at



I asked Thomas Roiser of Camaro to shed some light on the technology behind the Blacktec. He told me the following information:

For the Blacktec, we "...started our development on this suit by developing a new material (we build the material ourselves from mother sheets as opposed to other manufacturers who buy standard material and then build it into a suit). We slice out of a very soft mother sheet of neoprene and leave the cell structure open instead of using a regular smooth skin material. This allows us to keep 100 % of the natural stretch of the base neoprene (any lining or covering of the surface that closes the cells, reduces stretch). We then line it very carefully with an inner liner taking utmost care that as little of the stretch is lost but at the same time reducing it to an amount where the material cannot be overstretched."

The major difference between the Blacktec and Titanium suits is that the Titanium is thinner and is glued but not stitched. The Titanium suit uses Camaro's proprietary seamless bonding process that includes gluing the suit first and then heat sealing it with a specially developed 5-layer tape. The Blacktec is a little thicker than the Titanium suit it can be glued and blind stitched. This provides a durable water tight seam and makes the suit more economical.

http://www.camaro.at/index_e.php


 

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  • Chuck_DickeyChuck_Dickey Posts: 1,462 Crazy Baller
    Awesome suits! I have the 1mm open cell as well as the 0.5mm and the 2mm Titanium. Can't say enough good things about Camaro. They make a 0.5mm glove liner I'm keen on trying.

    Check out Robby's site for Camaro http://robbysskishop.com/camaro.aspx
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  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 6,146 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    @Chuck How cold of water are you in? Do you notice grip change with liners? It would be great to have a liner under your glove if you dont have a big change in grip. For the 2-3 weeks a year when the water is supper cold I could give up some grip if I could keep my fingers warm for a few more minutes.
    Shut up and ski
  • InboardfixInboardfix Posts: 118 Baller
    @Chuck How would you compare the 2mm Titanium to the other suits you're using. Recently I've been using a 1mm long and .5 mm LS Shorty and don't notice much difference in warmth. Is the 2mm Titanium much warmer? Thanks.
  • WishWish Posts: 8,268 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    How is the zipper set to lesson flooding through the zipper closure?
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • HortonHorton Posts: 30,560 Administrator
    The zipper is not dry. The only time you get cold is when you first get in.... that gush of cold water down your spine sort of sucks but after your first pass it is all forgotten.

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  • Chuck_DickeyChuck_Dickey Posts: 1,462 Crazy Baller
    @MS

    Mid to high 40F water. I have not tried the Camaro liners yet, too much going at work right now to ski.

    I don't notice any grip difference with this method, give it a try. I put the kevlar liners on first, then the surgical gloves then my 41 Tails. I pull my wetsuit sleeve over the cuff of the surgical glove, then when I cinch down the 41 Tails, it creates a rubber on rubber seal. After 6 to 8 passes, my hands are still dry.
    dave_n
  • Chuck_DickeyChuck_Dickey Posts: 1,462 Crazy Baller
    edited February 2013
    @Inboardfix

    I have the Camaro 0.5mm shorty, the full, the 1mm Open cell (precursor to the BlackTec) and the 2mm Titanium. I use the 2mm Titanium to replace my Drysuit. All my Camaro stuff feels warmer and much more comfortable than any of my O'Neill's in comparable thickness. Horton isn't kidding when he stated he's better off than his ski buds wearing Drysuits.
  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 6,146 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    @Chuck I have been using your routine for a few years.
    Shut up and ski
  • Chuck_DickeyChuck_Dickey Posts: 1,462 Crazy Baller
    @MS

    I'll post my thoughts as soon as I get a chance to try my Camaro liners.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 30,560 Administrator
    I will be doing some review on other Camaro products soon but I have to say this again. "I am sure I am warmer in this wetsuit than the guys I ski with who are in dry suits"

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  • thagerthager Posts: 5,211 Mega Baller
    @Horton I am in a different brand wetsuit but I feel the same way and I hate it when you are right!
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  • Ed_JohnsonEd_Johnson Posts: 2,267
    Ditto what OB said..I have the same suit from Sunset and skied in 65 degree water @66 Air...This suit is so light it's crazy..Showed it to my ski partner and he thought I was nuts..He used his fullsuit and said it was cold....Felt so good to be out of the full suit, that my 28 opener was crazy wide and early..Add the new Mapple 6 and ZO Revision R with the Plus and this is great.
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  • waterskigirlwaterskigirl Posts: 142 Water Ski Industry Professional
    Finally some good news from Camaro, the Black Tec suits are on the way to US retailers.
    Only the 1mm shorty in this shipment...anyone interested can order them now from my shop (or check with a Camaro dealer in your area) they will ship to you the week of April 22!
    www.robbysskishop.com
  • jedgelljedgell Posts: 364 Baller
    Skied yesterday in 58 deg water 52 deg air and was fine in my Titanium shorty. After 2 passes I was fine, never got cold. The other guys were all in drysuits, glad I wasn't. I don't know if I'd go much colder than 58 though.
    Justin Edgell - Bozeman, MT
  • Ed_JohnsonEd_Johnson Posts: 2,267
    I used my Titanium shorty with air and water in the 60's and totally comfortable....In fact it is so light, it is hard to believe it works so well..Total freedom of movement.

    Anyone using the Camaro Impact Vest ? How does it compare to the Eagle ?
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  • rfarfa Posts: 266 Baller
    Tried my new titanium shorty today in 55deg water/64deg air...Awesome!!! and let me say "thank you" to @waterskigirl...exceptional customer service!
    Rui Afonso
  • HortonHorton Posts: 30,560 Administrator
    I told you guys! Camaro is AWESOME

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  • gregygregy Posts: 2,590 Mega Baller
    @ed_johnson I used the camaro impact most of last year. Floats much better than my eagle which is mainly what I was wanting. Very light, very comfortable. Its not wetsuit material like the eagle. I was reccomended to get a size larger than my eagle, but decided to stick with the same size, L and it fit great.
    Ed_Johnson
  • countymountiecountymountie Posts: 121 Baller
    @ed_johnson & @gregy

    ok, you guys have me sold. I'm going to drop a call out to cali and get a new Camaro vest and shorty...I hate, hate being cold. I was going to wait for the blacktec to become available; however, full suits are generally long for me for a good fit anyway.
    I'll take your advice. Too bad @Horton is trying to jump on your bandwagon.
    Thanks
  • MattPMattP Posts: 6,263 Mega Baller
    @waterskigirl can we see about talking with Camaro about a 2mil backtec shorty?
    9400
  • davemacdavemac Posts: 456 Baller
    I second that, Matt....2mil shorty sounds more versatile than 1mil
  • Nick SullivanNick Sullivan Posts: 676 Baller
    I'll take a 2mm shorty too.
  • waterskigirlwaterskigirl Posts: 142 Water Ski Industry Professional
    Yeah, here's to hoping the 1mm is super warm for its thickness...Horton is really the only one that knows around here. Already gave my opinion(more than once) to Camaro, that is why I picked up all of the 2mm Titaniums I could. Couple things, the Titanium suits are a little delicate the silver top coat is thin, so it will blemish does nothing to the performance of the suit though. BlackTec won't have that issue because it's black all the way through. Everyone around here that tested the BlackTec 1mm last fall loved them and thought they were warm. The new BlackTec will be out there in Ballerville very soon and then you guys will tell us and we will all know how they do. That is the advantage to a forum like this, we have a place to get the straight story immediately, good, bad or ugly!
    Wish
  • SkiJaySkiJay Posts: 2,314 Mega Baller
    @waterskigirl If you are keeping a list, can you let me know when you get 2mm shorty BlackTecs in?
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  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 6,066 Mega Baller
    @OB how is the flexibility on the 2 mm?
    Mark Shaffer
  • ralral Posts: 1,847 Mega Baller
    Regarding duration x Camaros, better use boardshorts for any Camaros under 2 mm if planning to seat anywhere...
    Rodrigo Andai
  • ralral Posts: 1,847 Mega Baller
    @OB, why black? Look like Astroboy on it!
    Rodrigo Andai
  • rfarfa Posts: 266 Baller
    @chef, I just got a titanium shorty...skied at home yesterday...truly excellent, like @ob said, warm and super flexible
    Rui Afonso
  • ralral Posts: 1,847 Mega Baller
    @OB why not? Gives you a destroyer look...
    Rodrigo Andai
  • waterskigirlwaterskigirl Posts: 142 Water Ski Industry Professional
    Yes, a picture of a Black Tec Shorty...sent the first suits out yesterday to some Ballers and asked them to give their reviews when they try them. Still not sure what Camaro's problem is in producing these suits...only recieved Shorty's and only size Large...next ship date is June :(
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