A late start gets a little later

Razorskier1Razorskier1 Posts: 3,425 Mega Baller
As if the snow and ice wasn't enough . . .

So when I was at Chet's with my son in mid-March my left knee (back leg) swelled up like a balloon after the first set -- I mean like half way up my thigh. I skied with it two more days and then was home for two weeks before heading to Orlando and skiing with AM. Knee still swollen and not right. Now this knee has been sore and a little swollen the past 5 ski seasons, so it isn't a new problem, just new magnitude. MRI and it is a relatively minor issue of torn meniscus (both medial and lateral). Not a big deal in terms of a surgery, but dang it, I can't get it done for two more weeks, and then will have to let it recover for a few more weeks after that. Looks like I'll be starting my season in earnest in the middle part of May. Ah well, work is pretty busy right now anyway -- I guess I'll just focus on that for now!
Jim Ross
Brady
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  • estromestrom Posts: 512 Baller
    Better to do it now and be skiing in May than to have it happen mid-summer. Here's to a speedy recovery!
  • WayneWayne Posts: 583 Crazy Baller
    Timely post. I just had a second scope done on my left knee for the same issue. Unfortunately the first incident was at 17 and I'm now 36 with a doctors recommendation to do what I can to keep this knee from deteriorating further because I'm too young for a knee replacement. I pretty much have no lateral meniscus.

    No matter what the recovery time is if they can preserve or repair your meniscus it's a better option than removing the torn pieces. I would gladly trade a year off skiing if it meant less issues down the road.
    Skoot1123
  • Ed_ObermeierEd_Obermeier Posts: 1,345 Crazy Baller
    Be thankful you're not at my situation yet. I'm missing a fair amount of the meniscus in the medial (inside) part of my right knee, my rear leg since I'm LFF, had the initial repair done probably 15+ years ago. I really wanted to start this season on a new Quest. Instead I spent the $1300 (same price as the ski) for a new custom fitted Breg knee brace just so I can keep going. That's right, $1300 for a freaking knee brace. I'm definitely in the wrong business.

    The sad part is that the brace is going to probably have a more immediate positive impact on my skiing than the new ski would. Actually should have spent the money a couple of years ago, been wearing it in the gym for lower body workouts and the difference in support is night and day versus the brace I was using. Gettin' old sucks.
    Ed Obermeier - owner, EZ-Slalom Course Systems
    www.ez-slalom.com
  • Razorskier1Razorskier1 Posts: 3,425 Mega Baller
    I have a brace and tried to use it at Andy's. Helped the knee, but because it is my back leg I kept catching the dang thing on the balls. Then I got cautious and wasn't turning the ski. Took it off for a pass and skied great, but the knee wasn't as strong/stable. At some point I'll probably need to find a brace that is more streamlined that I can live with. For now going to clean up the tears, which are thankfully fairly small (leaving me with a good amount of meniscus), smooth off some of the rough surfaces/arthritis, and go from there. I'll be 50 in August. Hoping to get another 10 years out of this procedure before I have to think about it again.
    Jim Ross
  • lakeaustinskierlakeaustinskier Posts: 389 Crazy Baller
    I just had meniscus repair on both my knees in December (20% damage on each). I injured both of them doing a boot camp type fitness regimen last year. Everytime I hit the wake my knees bothered me, much less going up or down stairs. I elected to do both knees at the same time. The key to my successful rehab was starting a rehab program with an fitness trainer experienced in these types of injuries.
    Ted Thomson, Austin Texas, Aquaplex
  • Ed_ObermeierEd_Obermeier Posts: 1,345 Crazy Baller
    Ed Obermeier - owner, EZ-Slalom Course Systems
    www.ez-slalom.com
  • mwetskiermwetskier Posts: 1,337 Mega Baller
    ed beat me to it. i always recommend a protective sleeve for any client who has to wear a knee brace. it protects the brace and the furniture, door frames, other people etc
  • SkiJaySkiJay Posts: 2,314 Mega Baller
    edited April 2013
    @Razorskier1 "Looks like I'll be starting my season in earnest in the middle part of May."
    Really sorry to hear about your knee. Hopefully, it rehabs better than new. I'll be leaving sunny Florida for Predator Bay up in Calgary by then. Come on up an be my guest. The 48° mid-May water will ice your knee for you while you knock the rust off your skiing!
    www.FinWhispering.com ... Your ski should be your dance partner, not a wrestling opponent
    Brady[Deleted User]
  • WayneWayne Posts: 583 Crazy Baller
    @Ed Obermeier what brace do you have from Breg? Did your doctor point you in that direction? My doctor was more concerned with impact or high stress on the knee. So no heavy lifting, squats and running is completely out (not that I ran anyway).

    I'm RFF and the bad knee is on the left. Sounds like all of us have a bad trailing knee. So my off side has been a struggle and getting a balanced stance is difficult due to the weak rear leg I'm heavy on my front foot.

    Where is all this going, what is everyone with a bad rear leg doing technique wise to compensate?
  • Skoot1123Skoot1123 Posts: 2,120 Mega Baller
    @razorskier1 - hope you get better soon!!! By the time you get back at it, the water will be just getting warmer. Here's to a good recovery and skiing soon!
  • T_CT_C Posts: 157 Baller
    I was told that I was bone on bone and needed a total knee in 2010 and waterskiing was getting more and more painful. There is a clinic in Portland land Oregon that is a non surgical knee specialist. I am now pain free without surgery. Anyone with chronic knee pain should check them out. reflexportland.com. I am skiing without a brace of any kind and my legs are stronger now at 60 than when I was 40.
  • Ed_ObermeierEd_Obermeier Posts: 1,345 Crazy Baller
    @Wayne it's a Fusion XT OA. My doctor is also my #1 ski bud, he just wrote the prescription for the brace, sent me to the brace clinic, and they checked me out and specified this particular brace. It's a load-shifting type brace, shifts the load on the knee from the medial side more onto the lateral side of the knee where I still have some meniscus left. It also stabilizes all of the tendons so I'm (supposedly) not in danger of doing any additional damage to any of those while wearing the brace. It has definitely made a huge difference in stability and comfort, particularly noticable while doing lateral movements such as side lunges. I've had the same issue as you with the trailing leg not being as stable as it needs to be, I'm positive that has had a negative effect on my skiing the past couple of seasons. Off side turns have definitely been an issue, when the knee gets sore and/or unstable I have a tendency to safety onto my rear leg locking it straight, which obviously isn't helping with offside turns. I'm optimistic this brace is going to help that a bunch and what I'm feeling in the gym while wearing it supports that feeling.

    @tc can you go into more detail on what they did to/for you at reflexportland that took you from bone on bone to painless?? It's a long way from KC to Portland, I'm wondering if there is anything similar in the mid west. Any info you could pass along would be most interesting and helpful, not only to me but I'm sure to a lot of readers here.
    Ed Obermeier - owner, EZ-Slalom Course Systems
    www.ez-slalom.com
  • skibugskibug Posts: 2,160
    Sorry to hear about the condition; but, on the positive side, it is truly minor as far as injuries go. I skied with a torn meniscus (back leg) from June 2, 2012 to October 11, 2012; then surgery on October 12, 2012. This was the second meniscus surgery in my left leg (first was 2005). I had a right ACL in 1999 and right meniscus in 2001. All the menscus surgeries took about 6 weeks to heal enough to run and do cardio. It took about 5-6 months to be totally pain free in all instances of meniscus surgery. Rehab - strengthening and stability are the key, like you life depends on it. GOOD LUCK!!
    Bob Grizzi
  • WayneWayne Posts: 583 Crazy Baller
    edited April 2013
    @Razorskier1 my and it sounds like Ed's situation are on the bad side. I have to agree with @skibug too that meniscus surgery can be pretty minor with a relatively quick recovery. The long term effects really come down to protection. Since I was young and invincible after my first surgery I didn't take care of what I had left. I was still running and played both indoor and sand volleyball aggressively in my early 20s. I think that is what really got me. I also had a really bad tear and lost about 70% of my meniscus because my initial diagnosis was by and emergency room. They put a splint on which compounded the damage for when a specialist got a look. So I did t mean to sound so gloomy. Considering they are working on a load bearing joint recovery time isn't too bad and you will find it feeling better than before.

    @tc please share what they did. From what I discussed with my doctor once the cartilage on the surface of your bones (osteoarthritis) is gone there is not much of an option other than replacement. If it wasn't for the osteoarthritis I could have had an implanted meniscus. If you had injections done that is my last resort before replacement. The injections have a varying degree of success from what I have read and discussed with my doctor. It will buy me some more time but I'm still on the same path. It depends on the level of damage and the patient. Some people it helps tremendously and others it lasts for a few months.
  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 6,504 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    @razor That sucks. The only bright spot is that you will be recovered before it gets warm. You may not have to put a dry suit on this spring. It looks like a winter wonderland outside.
    Shut up and ski
  • ktm300ktm300 Posts: 446 Solid Baller
    Sorry to hear it. Wish you a speedy recovery.
  • SkiJaySkiJay Posts: 2,314 Mega Baller
    @Ed_Obermeier The knee specialist I saw at the National Training Center singled out lunges as THE most detrimental thing I can do to my aging knees. He forbade them, saying that trainers love them but they destroy knees, and there's nothing lunges do that can't be done through other exercises.
    www.FinWhispering.com ... Your ski should be your dance partner, not a wrestling opponent
  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 6,504 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    My guy told me that bike riding is about as good as it gets for the knee.
    Shut up and ski
  • T_CT_C Posts: 157 Baller
    @Ed Obermeier Reflex has a multi phase process that they developed. It would take too much time to describe here. Best thing to do would be to go to their web site reflexportland.com and look through it. It's pretty much all there. I can tell you that the Bionic Care electronic brace they use works really well and got the pain level down to where I could start their muscle strengthening (rehab) program. Once your bone on bone the patella stops tracking correctly and you need to strengthen the surrounding muscles to correct it.
  • Razorskier1Razorskier1 Posts: 3,425 Mega Baller
    We sound like a bunch of old guys! My surgeon was in this same knee 7 years ago and took out a floater that was causing it to lock up, trimmed the meniscus in the back, and smoothed off some surfaces (arthritis). This time he says that both the femur and the back of the knee cap are showing wear/arthritis, and when it is both surfaces there isn't really much he can do. I suspect there will be lingering pain from that, but that's OK. I can deal with the pain if the knee is at least functional. I've put a lot of hard miles on the knee between basketball (when I was younger) and skiing. I'm not expecting a miracle, just usability.

    @MS -- very true. I may be able to just start right out in a hot top.
    Jim Ross
  • WaternutWaternut Posts: 1,517 Crazy Baller
    Really sucks man. I know the eagerness to get on the water is high but on the plus side... I think it's better to have this happen now when the water isn't real comfortable than in the middle of the summer when you'd miss the best time of the season. Plus you only have to knock the rust off your skiing once instead of twice.
    Skoot1123
  • WayneWayne Posts: 583 Crazy Baller
    I've used the Indiana Jones line a bunch "it's not the age sweetheart it's the miles". At least I think that's where I picked it up.

    Good luck on your surgery @Razorskier1
  • Razorskier1Razorskier1 Posts: 3,425 Mega Baller
    @Wayne -- my surgeon said the same thing. He did my shoulder labrum surgery, my biceps tendon repair, and my knee -- I should get a punch card -- have 4 surgeries, 5th one is free!

    @waternut -- agreed. He said I could just try a shot of cortisone and see how it goes, but I was worried that then I'd be doing surgery in June anyway. Rather just get it out of the way and go from there.
    Jim Ross
  • WaternutWaternut Posts: 1,517 Crazy Baller
    @Wayne Yeah that was an Indiana Jones quote.
  • Ed_ObermeierEd_Obermeier Posts: 1,345 Crazy Baller
    @SkiJay I appreciate that info, I'll pass that along to my trainer. I've asked about that a couple of times but she seems to think it's not a problem. Any PT's or Ortho's out here who would care to comment on this point? On the positive side @ms I do ride a stationary bike quite a bit doing cardio so good to hear I'm doing at least something right.

    @Razorskier1 speaking for myself, I AM an old guy (age wise that is). Pushing 58 and still kickin' it! Patched together a bit but still kickin' it nonetheless. I think many of us aging athelete types deal with worn knees, goes with the territory. Too many years of distance running, basketball etc. Had I wised up when I first started having issues ...

    @tc thanks for the info, I'll dig into it and see if I can learn anything.
    Ed Obermeier - owner, EZ-Slalom Course Systems
    www.ez-slalom.com
  • BradyBrady Posts: 1,085 Mega Baller
    @Razorskier1

    "We sound like a bunch of old guys!"

    We ARE a bunch of old guys, but ones that stick together!! I am so sorry about your injury....that just plain sucks!! I am putting out good vibes for you so that you can get on the water as soon as possible!
    I ski, therefore I am
  • thagerthager Posts: 5,387 Mega Baller
    @ Razorskier1 Bummer Heal quick! Oh yeah, change your handle.
    Stir vigorously then leave!
  • 6balls6balls Posts: 5,870 Mega Baller
    OK that's enough surgery...post-op @razorskier1 now has to ski in the newly formed "modified" division.
    Dave Ross--die cancer die
    Brady
  • jimbrakejimbrake Posts: 1,433 Mega Baller
    I'm about to have my third scope (four total surgeries) on my right knee on May 6th, so that's going to put a delay in my season as well. Next step for me after this is probably MakoPlasty, which is like getting half of a new knee. More like a new surface on the lateral side and new (fake) cartilage. Between my former jumping career, running, and my refusal to back off on the way I snow ski, my knee is pretty abused. Even bike riding is becoming problematic now. Because it's my back knee and I'm LFF, sometimes when I load on my pull through the gates I get a shot of pain that just stands me up. Time to do something about it.
    "...all of the basic fun banter"
  • Razorskier1Razorskier1 Posts: 3,425 Mega Baller
    Been doing what my PT wants me to do. Today was 3 weeks from surgery. It was 55 degrees out and dead calm, so I decided to take an easy open water set which, for me, is 4 passes of 12-14 turns. I was tentative, but it sure felt good to be on the water. I plan to ease an open water set into my rehab every couple of days now and start to at least get rid of some of the skiing sore muscles. Will bring the course up next week but probably won't use it for another two. So far, so good!
    Jim Ross
    Skoot11239400andyb
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