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ZO Repower in New England area?

Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,900 Mega Baller
Having realized that I'm not willing to offer nearly enough to get a newish boat*, I'm giving much more serious consideration to repowering my 2005 SN196 for Zero Off.

Anybody do that in New England? Other comments/advice?

*Or, if somebody has a way to sell me a 2013 Carbon Pro (for delivery next season) for $38k, let me know! I tried a little to make a pre-buy promo deal and found my number was several thousand short.
Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 30,432 Administrator
    come on man you are in MIT PhD break out the text books and build something from scratch

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  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 3,244 Mega Baller
    A Re-power? or conversion?
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


  • gregygregy Posts: 2,590 Mega Baller
    @than_bogan what engine do you have in the 05.
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,900 Mega Baller
    edited April 2013
    @jody_seal I am clueless. What are the options?

    Basically I'm thinking if I can get this boat running ZO, I'll really have NO reason to get a new one. And with boat prices where they are, along with Carbon Pro future resale value being uncertain, keeping this boat for a long time looks pretty attractive.

    @Horton You know guys from MIT can't actually build anything! :)
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 6,132 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    @Than I think what Jody is saying is that ZO does not need to have your 196 re powered if you have the PCM 5.7 Excalibur engine. You just need to modify a few things to make it happen.
    Shut up and ski
  • gregygregy Posts: 2,590 Mega Baller
  • ForrestGumpForrestGump Posts: 6,211
    edited April 2013
    Repower is changing the engine. If it's an 05, it should have the PCM Excalibur 343 at a minimum(probably), which means a new ECM, throttle body, associated harness, ZO and you're good to go.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 6,132 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    @Shane it is probably the PCM 5.7l with the 330HP PCM. I think the 343 came out in late 07 or 08.
    Shut up and ski
  • ForrestGumpForrestGump Posts: 6,211
    Yeah, I mean to write 330 and wrote 343 instead.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

    Bulldog
  • lpskierlpskier Posts: 3,126 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Why not just sell your 05 and buy and 07? 07 is drive by wire. Gotta think that is an easier and cheaper solution.
    John Wilkins- Si non pro sanguine quem ludus ne. #iskiconnelly
    danbirch
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,977 Infinite Pandas
    @Than_Bogan Get a new boat. I just got back from a lake full of repowered old 196s. Yuck. They are still old 196s. I had to bring my MC to the tournament because the hulls are totally out of currency (note that an old MC with ZO is the same hull so is easier to get an exception to allow an older boat in tournaments). The trick wake still sucks on the old 196 (but the adverse condition training was good for me). If you want to do anything other than training slalom, new is the way to go.

    Or go really old. Find a boat with a tired engine and totally repower. The hull will be fully depreciated, you'll get a discount for the engine to apply to the repower and you won't be throwing out a good Perfect Pass. Save money on property tax, tow car gas and loan payments - maybe the kneeboards, wakeboards and trick skis you buy will wipe out the savings but you'll have fun.

    Eric
    danbirch
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 6,063 Mega Baller
    @eleeski all @Than_Bogan cares about is a slalom tractor. I don't think he is going to let his kids have trick skis.
    Mark Shaffer
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,900 Mega Baller
    What are trick skis?

    (damn I'm funny)
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 6,063 Mega Baller
    @Than_Bogan I am going to do my best to corrupt them.
    Mark Shaffer
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,900 Mega Baller
    @Chef23 Fine with me -- as long as *I* don't have to trick!
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 3,244 Mega Baller
    Yea! Might have to roll that old water-ski crumudgen into the shade! Some one mentions trick boats and he just cant take it!

    Tim At inboard solutions has a complete E-control conversion and "De-St-ructions" to convert any PCM EX 2002-2006 over to utilize Zero Off.

    A number of my customers that have pre Excalibur and MCX powered boats have made the decision to re -power and install ZO in their older pre 05 boats. Apparently not a bad way to get current feel speed control in a perfectly great skiing boat! Well under the bar of buying a 4 year old ZO boat.
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


  • WaternutWaternut Posts: 1,511 Crazy Baller
    Man you guys make me feel like I'm on welfare. I feel like the hero of the day with a boat from the 80's with perfect pass. Come on here and people are complaining about the pull and wake from a 2005 boat...haha
    JMLVMI
  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 6,132 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    Thager redid his 02 196 to ZO and it feels just like our 09 196. Way cheaper than buying a new one or even a 07.
    Shut up and ski
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,900 Mega Baller
    @Jody_Seal Awesome! Got a # or link or email for Tim at Inboard Solutions? And where is it (or does he travel so it doesn't matter?)
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,900 Mega Baller
    @Waternut Personally I think the pull/wake on my boat are GREAT. But I think there are some slight benefits to practicing with ZO all the time. I ski about half my sets on it (on my ski partner's boat), which seems to be "enough," and is one reason I'm not willing to offer a lot to "upgrade" my boat to something newer.
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
    Waternut
  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 3,244 Mega Baller
    @Than I am not sure you understand, Tim Provides the kit---You install.
    http://inboardsolutionsllc.com/Inboard_Solutions/Zero_Off_Conversions.html
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,900 Mega Baller
    @Jody_Seal AHA! You were correct that I did not understand. Thanks so much for the link!
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 6,063 Mega Baller
    @Than_Bogan we installed PP classic on my boat (well really @rayn did most of the work). My guess is that it probably isn't that much more complicated than installing PP.
    Mark Shaffer
  • thagerthager Posts: 5,189 Mega Baller
    @Than_Bogan. It is so easy even an MIT Grad could do it! Tim is the man to talk to.imageimageimageimage
    Stir vigorously then leave!
  • thagerthager Posts: 5,189 Mega Baller
    That was odd!!!???
    Stir vigorously then leave!
  • acmxacmx Posts: 252 Baller
    @thager, did the head unit mount come with the kit?
  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 6,132 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    @Thager Nice photos.
    Shut up and ski
  • thagerthager Posts: 5,189 Mega Baller
    @MS I have no idea how I did that. Thx! Ice gone yet?
    Stir vigorously then leave!
  • Bruce_ButterfieldBruce_Butterfield Posts: 1,892 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    Rico,

    I re-powered my '97 SN last year and it works great. It skis just like any newer Nautique. It works out to $10k give or take a little depending on how much work you do yourself and how much you can get for the old engine.

    Jody was a huge help in the conversion.
    I'm Ancient. WTH do I know?
  • thagerthager Posts: 5,189 Mega Baller
    edited April 2013
    @acmx The head unit comes with the kit. The upholstery it sits in, I built myself out of vinyl and pvc tubing from Menards. It sits in the cup holder.
    Stir vigorously then leave!
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