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Ho Co-efficient xsl - whats it good for ?

Stevie BoyStevie Boy Posts: 2,024 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
Hi Guy,s & Gals, can anybody, give me an idea, of how far down the line a Ho Co-efficient should be able to go, before it is outside of it's comfort zone.
Horton did mention something in one of his post but I cannot find it.
Many Thanks

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  • WishWish Posts: 7,850 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Rode it into 39. Friend rode it through 39. So as deep as you want I guess. Great ski. @Horton wrote a review. Look under Gear Review in the above tabs.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • ctsmithctsmith Posts: 281 Baller
    Wish, did you ever do a comparison between the CoX SL and the S2? Researching it the other day I saw a post where you mentioned it but I never found the actual comparison.
  • WishWish Posts: 7,850 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited July 2013
    Thought I did...?

    I rode both but quite some time apart. Still on the S2. Both are great skies but very different in shape so very different on the water. CoX is a ski you can push around in the turn if needed with amazing results and sometimes not so good. S2 does not like to be pushed around especially with the back leg. So trade off is that the S2 is more stable, sorta, but cant be pushed out of the turn. Not sure why (coulda been setup) but the CoX seemed to get wider. Almost eye popping wide. S2 gets wide but a different feel. CoX more traditional shape so can be a little squarely. S2 more wide body so stable. It's like comparing an S2 to a Strada. They are just different. They both have the step bottom but it all ends there in similarity.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • ForrestGumpForrestGump Posts: 6,052
    Matt Brown and I were talking about the CoXsl the other day. The HO skiers all tried it earlier in the year. According to him, he ran 4 1/2 at 39 1/2 off on the first set and Badal ran 39 on the first set. @Horton had a lot of good things to say about the one he had. You should ask him the story of what happened to his.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,777 Administrator
    That ski rips. I lost mine in the single most embarrassing episode of my entire skiing career. I do not want to talk about it.

    What I will say is the my one quote about that ski was.....

    "I have no idea how that ski turns. When I am that wide and early it does not matter"

    Oooo yea and it really does turn fine. It is one of the most under rated skis of all time and the price is really good.

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  • WishWish Posts: 7,850 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Horton.. Please!!
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • XR6HurricaneXR6Hurricane Posts: 327 Baller
    I love my standard layup one that I just got. One thing I notice about it also is that it seems solid and soft through the wakes. I just skied this morning behind my friend's Prostar 195 and at 15 off the wake is usually a real challenge for me behind that boat. Today it was not bad at all. Couldn't figure out what changed and then I realized it must be the ski.
  • Stevie BoyStevie Boy Posts: 2,024 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    If the ski is good hard to understand why you do not see many about being a cross over ski does that put people off using it for slalom

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  • ForrestGumpForrestGump Posts: 6,052
    I don't think I'd call it a crossover ski. Much like the Radar Senate C, it's a high end ski.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • WishWish Posts: 7,850 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited July 2013
    As Horton siad, it's completely under rated here in the US. But according to my European friends, it's well liked across the pond with short line tournament skiers (the sl version). That's why he (friend) tested it here and bought it last year. I still question giving the one I demoed back to the pro-shop. Funny thing was, I'd return it after a 2 week test ride, and a week later ask if it was out on a demo. They'd say nope and I'd go snag it for a couple more weeks. Did this most of that summer. It was the most ridden ski I never owned.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • doonezdoonez Posts: 150 Baller
    Would any of you recommend it over say an A3? (For a skier running into 32off at 36mph?)
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,777 Administrator
    edited July 2013
    I would assume that at 36 the A3 is in better shape... but again that's just an assumption

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  • Stevie BoyStevie Boy Posts: 2,024 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @horton would you say the ski is more suited for 34mph ?

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,777 Administrator
    I think so....

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  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 3,790 Mega Baller
    I will say for open water skiing the step bottom does make it seem very effortless at lower speeds 30-32. I have not tried one faster or on a course but it seems to move slick.
  • CommuterfisherCommuterfisher Posts: 83 Baller
    I picked up a Blem CoXL off eBay for best offer of $ 375. He may go lower. 10 available Trying to step up from the Triumph 69 to CoXL. First time out today deep starts harder due to less surface area. Any hints?
  • bogboybogboy Posts: 699 Solid Baller
    @Comuterfisher,yes, I demoed a 2013 Coex xl, and found that is is a little harder to get up on than the triumph, but not a lot harder. The ho web sight for 2013 describes the triumph as being an oversized version of the co ex, which I think is accurate. We have owned 3 older triumphs, and now ski on 2 of the new gen triumphs. For me, the new triumph is as stable, dependable, and reliable as the day is long. Maybe the fin on the co ex was not set right for me or something. My plan, i guess is that when I am skiing pretty consistent 32 mph's, I will jump on my new s2. I hope that will work. We will see. That thread on the new am, (68.5 for me) is killing me. Here I go again.
  • bogboybogboy Posts: 699 Solid Baller
    Horton, ballers, what would you recommend?
  • CommuterfisherCommuterfisher Posts: 83 Baller
    I really liked the new Triumph. I could feel the ski getting squirrely when I tried to stand up out of the ball position. Couldn't lean back quick enough before I went over the top. So getting close. I went from a big daddy this spring with an easy up handle to a Triumph 71" then bought a triumph 69" double boot attack bindings. My wife likes the Triumph also so I thought I would move up. So maybe moving up too quickly and changing from the easy up handle to a reg handle and also to a new ski is too much all at once.

    I might try the CoXL with the easy up and a rear toe plate and throw the Triumph in the boat for back up.

    Frustrating when I was getting up consistently on the Triumph.
  • CommuterfisherCommuterfisher Posts: 83 Baller
    Got up on the Coex SL several times this last year. It does go crazy wide without any effort. Hurt my back so back to the Triumph until I get my strength back. Almost ready!
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,777 Administrator
    COX was a good ski. HO replaced it with the CX. I am doing a mini review of it now. See other thread.

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  • CommuterfisherCommuterfisher Posts: 83 Baller
    I read the review and waiting for more info. How does it compare to the 2012-13 model?
  • I thought the Co-Ex SL was the most fun that I ever had on a ski. I had big smooth school bus turns at 28. At 32 it started coming around like a A series. At 35 it smoked, early and wide. I ran through [email protected] first and only time. It was a friend's ski and he sold it to another friend. I may pick one up just to keep at the lake house. Highly Recommend !
    Am I a jumper that wants to be a slalom skier? Or a slalom skier that wants to be a jumper?
  • WishWish Posts: 7,850 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    I had the exact same experience as @Ham_Wallace. Right down to the numbers. Had to give it back to the pro-shop but kept going back and getting it as no one was testing it.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
    Ham_Wallace
  • BigCBigC Posts: 7 Baller
    So, what do you folks recommend for a late 50's 34 mph skier, 28 through 32 off looking to replace his monza? S2, A3, or this CoX SL?
  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 5,259 Mega Baller
    Another Monza if you can find one.
    Shut up and ski
  • WishWish Posts: 7,850 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited February 2014
    The S2, IMHO, is hands down the best 22 28 and 32 off ski at 34mph on the planet. Super easy on the body. Seems as though I've had to do a crap load of different things/adjustments to it to make it an easy-ish 35 and a can do 38 off ski though.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • andjulesandjules Posts: 819 Crazy Baller
    +1 to @Wish observations - I didn't test enough skis to make comparisons, but I'm a -22-to-32 off @ 34 skier and the S2 is fast and stable (but not so "stable" that you can't have fun).
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