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Marcus Brown - Shop Talk: Episode 2 - So you think you can Stack?

chris_loganchris_logan Posts: 360 Crazy Baller
edited October 2013 in Technique & Theory
Always looking for a pull... Will you be my boatdriver?


  • BulldogBulldog Posts: 1,036 Crazy Baller
    @marcusbrown .... another great video! Thanks
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  • SkiJaySkiJay Posts: 2,314 Mega Baller
    edited October 2013
    Another great video @MarcusBrown. I'd just like to suggest that saying "not stacked" means two TOTALLY different things to advanced skiers with "stripper butt" and the legions of 15 off skiers watching your videos who have two feet of separation between their hips and handle. Maybe intermediate skier lack-of-stack would be another helpful topic to shed some light on in future videos. ... Your ski should be your dance partner, not a wrestling opponent
  • crashmancrashman Posts: 722 Crazy Baller
    @skijay agree with you to a degree but even as a -15er I found the discussion about "openness to the boat" to be relevant- as a guy who's early into this sport I especially appreciate hearing how to develop a style that hopefully will help me ski for many years to come! That's a question that I've often had is "how open should I try to be" so thanks Mr. Brown for your thoughts about it.
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  • Texas6Texas6 Posts: 2,197
    Great stuff Marcus, thank you! I'm glad you took it a step further and addressed the "open to the boat" concept in addition to the stacked position. Conceptually, I've always agreed with it but in execution I've always struggled. You keyed in on something for me that I've been struggling with when trying to open up more and that's hip flexibility in the offside pull. Super easy to do on my good side but I struggle with opening up on the offside without negatively affecting the outbound direction of the ski. Flexibility is the answer and I now have something to work on - great video
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  • ozskiozski Posts: 1,715
    Thanks Marcus, as an older skier I am always looking for ways to help reduce the pain, wear and tear and general soreness that comes with midlife skiing. I'm a big fan of staying open to the boat, it makes a lot of sense.
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  • ctsmithctsmith Posts: 281 Baller
    Good stuff. Appreciate it Marcus! Thanks!
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 6,066 Mega Baller
    Another good video. I have told people to pull their butt up and get their shoulder back when they have their butt dragging. I have talked about trying to arch the back but usually that exaggeration just gets people to have their butt drag less rather than a real arch in the back.

    I really liked Marcus' discussion of the offside pull position. Most people don't have the flexibility to be open to the boat in their offside pull and this is one of the first discussions I have seen that acknowledges that and talks about working with what you have.
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  • swc5150swc5150 Posts: 2,515 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Another outstanding video @marcusbrown.
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  • tewberttewbert Posts: 5 Baller
    Great video Marcus! I've been trying to focus more on what my hips are doing vs what my shoulders are doing. For example, I'll video a pass and think I was really counter rotating only to see my upper body counter a little and my core and hips still be closed. Once I cross the back of the boat, where should my hips be? Is it a gradual transition from having them face downcourse to a countered position? I think I focus much more on the ball to the back of the boat vs the back of the boat to the ball.
  • Brian_MBrian_M Posts: 54 Baller
    I've read that with the development of the ProStar that @marcusbrown has a private lake somewhere. Does he do lessons or video coaching? Very impressed with the knowledge that he's displayed in any of the videos he's been involved with over the last few months.
  • andjulesandjules Posts: 843 Mega Baller
    Great series, great for the sport, we need more of this. Thanks @marcusbrown.

    More importantly, where can I can get the vintage T-shirt!!?!
  • andjulesandjules Posts: 843 Mega Baller
    Great section that starts round 7.30+ - he talks about offside lean and being open. THANK YOU. People love the simplicity of 'universal truths', but the reality of the kinesiology of our sport is that offside is very different than onside. Nice to hear someone address it intelligently.
  • BG1BG1 Posts: 214 Baller
    Thanks for the informative video @marcusbrown Very well done.
  • DooSPXDooSPX Posts: 328 Baller
    @marcusbrown, very well said. Thank you so much for doing these videos. I believe I am learning more in the 2 videos you have made then I have in 4 years. Also, hope you can make it to the Extreme Watersports Fest in Orlando coming up. Hope you meet you in person!
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  • cragginshredcragginshred Posts: 722 Crazy Baller
    edited October 2013
    This makes a lot of sense. The offside hip rotation he refers to is Internal rotation. Stretching the hip flexors is good but to be more specific to prevent spinal rotation it is Internal rotation mobility in the rear hip that is needed.
    So how do we get more IR of the rear hip as well as strength the hip rotators? I will do a video on my favorite PT clinic exercises for this soon. I will also cover the difference between hip rotation= good and rotating your femur on to your tibia= bad and would result as a compensation from having poor hip IR/ER rotation.
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  • ctsmithctsmith Posts: 281 Baller
    Cragginshred, VERY anxiously awaiting video. Need it bad.
  • gregygregy Posts: 2,590 Mega Baller
    @Brian_m his website is I think he's on Facebook as well. Pretty sure he does coaching.
  • GaryWilkinsonGaryWilkinson Posts: 356 Solid Baller
    Awesome video! So many times I've seen and told people to push hips forward and chest out. Yikes! Your description of proper position is critical for slalom success and longevity.

    @marcusbrown your offside description and explanation of "ski with what you've got" as far as hip rotation goes will change my skiing (and my coaching!)

    Thanks so much.
    I need to ski back to the handle obviously.
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