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Whats your ZO setting and why?

ozskiozski Posts: 1,660
edited November 2013 in Technique & Theory
I started on B2 and have recently shifted to C1. Skiing at 34 mph ... I made the change to C1 as an experiment and it feels pretty good so far. Practice scores are much the same so far.
'Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better.'' Boat 2005 Nautique 196 6L ZO - Ski - KD Platinum

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  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 2,606 Mega Baller
    C2 usually. Will switch to C1 on a stronger boat. I like it to pick me up off the buoy quick and let off quick, but I don't want all the throttle at once (C3).
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
  • skier2788skier2788 Posts: 736 Crazy Baller
    A3 which seems weird for a guy that skis 36 32 off regularly. Reason why I am there.... Andy Mapple said so....
    Travis Torley
  • A_BA_B Posts: 4,148 Mega Baller
    A1+. 250+ reasons why.
  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 2,606 Mega Baller
    @rico, I am 145 pounds and using C. So, I am one of those anomalies.
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
  • A_BA_B Posts: 4,148 Mega Baller
    @rico, I would agree with that, absent of + settings.
    I was a C2 user and did not like A1 at all. Adding plus just made A1 feel perfect for me, for whatever reason.
  • ForrestGumpForrestGump Posts: 6,061
    I can ski any B or C setting, but typically ski C1 or C3 depending on how strong I feel I'm skiing. With A I feel like the boat is on me forever.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • chris_loganchris_logan Posts: 355 Crazy Baller
    Typically C2 on a 6.0 and C2+ on a 5.7. I have tried A and B settings, but I still have not figured out how to build angle and not so much lean - so A and B usually put me into an inadvertent lean-lock sooner than later. I generally make aggressive turns, so the sooner the boat picks me up, the better.
    Always looking for a pull... Will you be my boatdriver?
  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 2,348 Crazy Baller
    I used C2 until RevR came along. I then switched to B1+ for most of this past season. Why? I ski at 32mph and I like the boat to bring me in a little faster.
    Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge
  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 2,606 Mega Baller
    edited November 2013
    @AB, the A1+ setting actually continues the C pattern of acceleration. A1+ is not the same pattern as A1 (no plus). That is the misleading part about the new plus settings. They don't merely augment their non-plus counterparts. They supposedly start the scale of pull where C3 (no plus) leaves off and also add that pre-gate boost. For example, C2+ is not just C2 with a little boost at the gate or a slightly firmer response and a C2 pattern. It is 8 notches of extra boost above C2.
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
  • WishWish Posts: 7,858 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Can someone post the pic of the sheet I've seen that has the horizontal wave lines that represent the pull from each letter compared to the vertical line representing the center of the wake. I want to print that but can't seem to find it. Plus I think visuals are good to referance when reading about this stuff. Thanks
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • SkiJaySkiJay Posts: 2,314 Mega Baller
    edited November 2013
    C2 best times the boat's pull with when I'm ready for it.
    While weight is a big factor, timing is the main consideration. ZO only knows to react when you load the line. If it doesn't know you're there until you're already in your lean, you need a quick reaction like C (or A+, B+, C+ if you're weight/power needs even a quicker reaction and higher intensity). If you have excellent rope control and pull on a tight rope while initiating your turn at the ball, C may react before you are finished turning, so increasing the boat's hesitation before it reacts by using B or even A might be better timing.
    I think there's a general misconception that C is for advanced skiers and A better for novices. While this can be true to a degree, it's not universal. A powerful advanced skier who maintains a constantly tight line may need A to best time the boat's reaction to when and where the rope first gets loaded. And a novice who constantly drops too far into their lean right off the ball might benefit from the earlier reaction of C.
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  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 2,606 Mega Baller
    Here is the chart showing the ZO response for the regular and plus settings. If you look at the pull and release columns, you can see that the A1+ settings have higher (quicker reaction) settings than the original C settings. The progression on the + settings does approximate a similar pattern of increasing pull responsiveness and decreasing release responsiveness as the non-plus progression of settings. But, overall, the A1+ setting seems to pick up where C (no plus) leaves off.
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
    A_B
  • A_BA_B Posts: 4,148 Mega Baller
    All I know is that A1+ felt in sync with me so much, I thought I was on PP again.. I just had to watch not to honk too hard in the gates, or I would be way hot and wide at one ball with the added juice.
  • ToddLToddL Posts: 2,822 Mega Baller
    I skied A2 since the beginning until recently... A2 for me was smooth. I have always been a smooth -15, -22 skier. I'm not light (185 lbs). I typically didn't load out wide, but ramped up until right behind the boat.

    As I have started tackling -28, this seemed to no longer apply. I've moved to B2. I felt that when I did my outbound stuff right, I ended up waiting for the boat to take me after the turn was finished. By moving to B2, I still have a little time to check my position and get those hips around and under the handle, but I am not falling while waiting for the boat. I've contemplating trying C1 next, but haven't yet done so.
    -- The future of skiing depends upon welcoming novice skiers regardless of age to our sport.
  • GOODESkierGOODESkier Posts: 1,107 Crazy Baller
    edited November 2013
    Was all over the map with little success skiing ZO last summer using B2 and a few tries at A1. Just felt it hammered me all the time and never let me "feel" free from the boat. I am going to say it was not releasing me earlier enough to feel like I could edge change and turn again.

    So, I moved to C1 this summer early on and had much better luck, running my first 38' OFF. I agree, it is a timing thing for the skier. As I lost weight this summer, I skied a practice PB behind a boat that felt firmer than normal and decided to used A1. It felt great. All depends on the boat and the skier I suppose.

    I am 180 lbs (Now) and was 210 lbs last summer
    2003 Nautique 196 LE Star Gazer & ZBox - GOODE NANO OneXT 66.75" - Powershell 5 (LFF) - Tournament PB: 2 Balls @ 39.5' OFF (34.2 MPH) on 7/18/2015 at BIG DAWG BROHO!
  • RazorRoss3RazorRoss3 Posts: 1,339 Mega Baller
    I'm a 185 lb 36mph skier and my favorite so far is C2. I like the idea of the boat accelerating during the time I'm pulling because it seems like the boat does all the work and kicks me to the buoy early.
  • Razorskier1Razorskier1 Posts: 3,425 Mega Baller
    C2. Coaches keep telling me to do my work before the first wake. If that's my goal, then that's where I want the boat. Chet made some very interesting comments about speed from ball to wake and what impact that has on how stiff ZO will be on you. In short, he said that if Nate is faster from ball to wake, then the boat is less far down the course and thus, it pulls less directly on the skier. I think he's right. Skied with AM a few weeks ago and he had me working on being quicker through the ball. Felt like (a), I was super early across course, and (b) like ZO never really hit me.
    Jim Ross
  • ozskiozski Posts: 1,660
    A quick test back on B2 yesterday left no doubt that C1 is working better for me. I tend to load up pretty early off the ball and as @Razorskier1 said: I'm getting most of my work done early which gets me out wide and free of the boat sooner. When I went back to B2 I felt a little narrow by comparison.
    'Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better.'' Boat 2005 Nautique 196 6L ZO - Ski - KD Platinum

  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 5,962 Mega Baller
    I ski on A2 I am a mid 35 skier at 34 mph and weigh 215. I was put on A2 a couple of years ago by April Coble and I don't practice enough behind ZO to fool around with settings much. I ski pretty much the same behind ZO and PP so I guess it is working okay. I would love to try different settings but I don't get the water time behind ZO.
    Mark Shaffer
  • WacWac Posts: 14 Baller
    @wish http://www.usawaterski.org/speedcontrol/zerooffpresentation.pdf goto page 30, this might be what you are looking for. Hope all is well with you!
  • MattPMattP Posts: 6,005 Mega Baller
    I'm at B2 (155lbs 36mph) because thats where my coach told me to be behind CC/MC/CP and usually MB. I have only skied once behind the CP. I have gone up to C2 (per @horton's recommendation) behind a Malibu before I felt like I was getting picked up to late/soft with B2 it could have just been me. I have skied with Mapple before and he did not say anything about my choice. I have dabbled with C2 but I felt like I was getting pulled out of position/slung across the wake but I think that was due to the fact that I was not in the proper position coming out of the turn and it may have not been my usual driver. I have never touched B1,B3,A1-3,or C3
  • 6balls6balls Posts: 5,142 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited November 2013
    Skied with 3 other PP skiers in Orlando a few weeks back where boat came with the place we were renting. The other 3 had never skied ZO and I have time limited to maybe once/month and tourneys. All 4 of us sampled a variety but ended up on C settings, most popular being C3.

    I think C3 works best for me b/c I'm a chronic over-turner and need the rope support right away...though I'm comfy on C2 as well. No time or enough personal endurance to toy with Rev plus etc thus far. At least I have my setting now and in my limited ZO exposure moving forward could toy with the + setting.
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,871 Administrator
    I use B2 because Will Bush told me to

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,871 Administrator
    When a boat feels too firm I move from B to C. That way I pull the boat down less before the ZO kicks in and catches back up.

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  • scokescoke Posts: 644 Solid Baller

    As we are all seeing, it's an "It Depends" answer.

    One theory that is out there, should we choose our ZO setting on how WE ski or how we SHOULD be skiing? Food for thought. For me personally, it's about evolving as a skier. So I've been migrating my skiing and my ZO setting accordingly.


    Scroll down to the bottom for the charts. Lots of information to read as well:

    http://schnitzskis.com/zerooff.html

    Wish
  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 5,271 Mega Baller
    Put it on something and ski. You will adjust to any of the letters.
    Shut up and ski
  • JackQJackQ Posts: 268 Crazy Baller
    I have not had enough time to practice different setting with ZO as much as I would like as my boat has PP. However it appears that an individual’s preferred setting is more personal than just how you ski and your weight.
    I believe that I would be characterized as an aggressive skier with hard pulls, and in theory should use an B or C setting, but I use A1 . I used A1 when I weighed 210, and I still use it now at 168pds so I don’t buy the hypothesis that ideal settings are weight dependent. I have tried other setting but gravitate back to A1. Next year I will have a boat with ZO and maybe I will find a setting that will help me get past 3 ball at 39.5 now that I have some consistency at 38.
    I wonder if this is more mental than reality based, I may be tone death but I cannot feel much difference between an A1 and B1 or B3 particularly when I am skiing well.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,871 Administrator
    @MS Mmmmm No. I tried A a few times and it scared the crap of of me

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  • estromestrom Posts: 512 Baller
    **Disclosure...the following comments come from someone (me!) with no ZO experience & may therefore be WAY out of left field**
    It occurs to me that different skis (Vapor, NanoXT, A3, Quest, etc...) all have different characteristics/strengths. One ski might allow you to obtain massive amounts of speed while another might allow you more control in other respects. Since people buy skis that fit certain characteristics they are looking for, is it reasonable to think that said characteristics of a ski should be able to be matched with ZO settings? Maybe this is something ski manufacturers could pursue and even make "stock" recommendations with their skis? This just hit me while reading this thread, but I'm a little short on coffee yet this morning, so take that into consideration!
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