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Radar Strada boots - separate plates or sequence single plate

ZmanZman Posts: 1,516 Crazy Baller
in Skis Fins Bindings
For the Strada boot users, any preference for single plate or using a sequence plate? I bought the sequence for quick change out and adjusting while testing skis this spring.
When the plate arrived I see that two of the three pairs of screws to mount the plate have spacers to allow the front and rear of the ski to move as the ski flexes. Does this offer some slight performance improvement over the single plates? Only the front single plate has this feature with the front and rear mounts being slotted, but did not come with the spacers.

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  • schaferschafer Posts: 305 Baller
    Use the sequence and ditch the spacers. I was told by a very wise man the spacers were making for extra tip pressure when I didn't want it. But I love the adjustment that the sequence plate has.
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  • ZmanZman Posts: 1,516 Crazy Baller
    Very wise man = @Horton?
  • ChadWChadW Posts: 99 Baller
    I asked Chris Sullivan the same question at Nationals last year. He said to use the sequence plate, that is what the ski is designed for.
  • SkiJaySkiJay Posts: 2,314 Mega Baller
    edited March 2014
    Definitely the Sequence plate with the spacers at both ends @Zman. The wise man was right about the spacers making the ski turn harder. I got so much more flex with the Sequence that I had to add .004" of depth to the fin to tame things down a bit, but then it carves SO much better when the whole ski can flex like that. Besides, getting to go deeper with the fin without hurting the turns is ideal.
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,884 Administrator
    What @SkiJay‌ said. I always use the spacers. Best part of sequence plate is ease of 1/2 hole adjustment and keeping boots the same distance apart when moving bindings. I have not used anything else since the Radar RS-1 boots came out way back when.

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  • Chris RossiChris Rossi Posts: 286 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    Sequence plate is our performance plate and offers the skier the most adjustment options for fore/aft movement and for boot rotation.
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  • FatrollFatroll Posts: 233 Solid Baller
    Does someone have a picture or diagram of the spacers in use on their sequence plate?
    2016 Ski Nautique 200 OB 2016 Radar Vapor 69.5"
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  • davemacdavemac Posts: 450 Baller
    edited March 2014
    try this (previously given to me by EZ-Ed)
  • FatrollFatroll Posts: 233 Solid Baller
    thanks. I bought mine used, so I do not have the plastic spacers. How thick are they?
    2016 Ski Nautique 200 OB 2016 Radar Vapor 69.5"
    Wish they had a bonus buoy count for increased body fat index
  • davemacdavemac Posts: 450 Baller
    edited March 2014
    not sure if the plastic spacers (washers) are even necessary...they are very thin.
  • chris_loganchris_logan Posts: 357 Crazy Baller
    @Fatroll @davemac the spacers they are referencing are aluminum that the screw passes through. The plastic washers are to keep the spacers/plate from eating your ski.
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  • davemacdavemac Posts: 450 Baller
    @chris_logan‌ thanks. I think I misunderstood what @Fatroll meant by plastic spacers....I assumed he meant the thin plastic WASHERS to which you refer. The "threaded neck washers" sometimes referred to as "shouldered washers" are aluminum.
    I would contact Radar if you are in need of some of the them. They do wear over time.
  • SkiJaySkiJay Posts: 2,314 Mega Baller
    The neck washers were aluminum in the beginning, but now they are steal. The aluminum version wore out too quickly.
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  • WayneWayne Posts: 452 Baller
    I'm confused on where the thin plastic washers go. Are they between the plate and the ski or on top of the plate under the screw head? I've always had the plastic washers on top of the plate.
  • SkiJaySkiJay Posts: 2,314 Mega Baller
    @Wayne The plastic washers go between the neck washers and the ski. They protect the ski's top sheet from the edges of the neck washers. The actual washer is also tight enough on the threads of the mounting screw that it will hold the neck washer and screw in place on the Sequence plate. If you are demoing skis, this makes moving your whole binding setup from ski to ski a real breeze.
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  • schaferschafer Posts: 305 Baller
    I stopped using the spacers in February when Matt Rini adjusted my ski for me. Maybe they work for others. But he said it would be better for me if he took them off.
    Quest for the Purple Loop
    SkiJay
  • WayneWayne Posts: 452 Baller
    @SkiJay thanks. Now I need to have a talk with the guy who originally sold me on Radar bindings, he gave me the wrong advice for where those little things go.
  • SkiJaySkiJay Posts: 2,314 Mega Baller
    The @schafer‌ Matt IS a very wise man. It's never occurred to me to use the inserts as a tuning option.

    Most factory recommended fin and binding numbers tend to favour easy turning. Add more flex to a ski designed for solidly mounted plates and the result could easily be too much tip pressure. Stiffening the ski up by removing the inserts is a quick and simple fix, a lot simpler than chasing down a custom fin setup.

    By removing the inserts at one end or the other, you can even affect flex under just the front or rear half of the plate too. Interesting info. Thanks for sharing, @schafer‌. Just curious, what ski are you on?
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  • schaferschafer Posts: 305 Baller
    @skiJay Im on a 66 Vapor
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  • SkiJaySkiJay Posts: 2,314 Mega Baller
    . . . and the Vapor is a ski Matt knows more about than just about anyone. Thanks again, @Schafer.
    www.FinWhispering.com ... Your ski should be your dance partner, not a wrestling opponent
  • DekeDeke Posts: 381 Baller
    edited March 2014
    I understand that the spacers/washers have been changed to steel from aluminum and that's good. Here's a link to a comment I wrote a while back on how I dealt with the wear of aluminum spacers. BTW, not only did the spacers wear out, so did the slots on the Sequence place. I replaced them as follows... http://ballofspray.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/135325/#Comment_135325
  • rawlyrawly Posts: 471 Solid Baller
    Another topic of discussion that comes up with the stratas is where to put the foot bed. I have put it in the liner and also between the liner and shell. My experience is that a larger foot bed under the liner makes the liner last longer because it doesn't get torn up by the bosses that hold the inserts that secure the binding to the plate. It also slips out smoother in a crash or for removal after run. Enjoy your Stradas however you decide to set em up.
  • schaferschafer Posts: 305 Baller
    Correct @SkiJay‌ if anyone knows how to set up the vapor it's Matt. And he's a wonderful coach to boot.
    Quest for the Purple Loop
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