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Reflex Liner Question

NandoNando Posts: 558 Crazy Baller
My thin Reflex liners are about shot, as is my R-type rear liner. I have very little space between the shell and my foot, but the fit with the thin liners is great. The short Fluid Motion liner for my rear boot is tempting, but it's pretty pricey ($121 Canadian). Fluid Motion has a thin liner that's going for $25. At that price, it's pretty much a can't lose proposition, but does anyone have any experience with them? Also, any downside to using a high liner in an R-type rear binding? (I ski occasionally with a guy who does that and he says it's fine.)


  • skialexskialex Posts: 1,037 Crazy Baller
    I know a guy who does that too and says it's fine, but I also know guys that use thin liners in R-styles and they have cut down the top part.
    Take a thin liner to a shoe repair store and they will make it for you.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 1,786 Mega Baller
    I use an Intuition Aqua liner for the R style rear. I use a Velcro wrap around the ankle to keep it tight around my leg. It's not an issue so long as you do that.

    Any other suggestions on thin liners are appreciated. My daughter's foot is growing. Her Reflex shell is fine, but she needs a thinner liner than the Intuition Aqua she is currently using. Was going to just pick up a Reflex at Nationals. I wasn't there, but my wife and daughter said that the have changed them and they are goofey/uncomfortable now.
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,975 Infinite Pandas
    edited September 2017
    @MrJones Try heat molding her liner. Be sure to use toe caps for comfort and some grow room. The liners can squish a lot and might give a good new fit to a growing foot.

    Snow ski shops with a good bootfitter can do a great heat molding job if you are uncomfortable with the process. Liners can get ruined when cooked wrong.

    I do like the thicker liner for comfort and performance - but that's personal preference.

  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 4,243 Mega Baller
    If you want to compress out the liner in areas or if it is too "thick" you can wear extra socks or build up areas on your foot before molding - you can even just wad some papertowel in areas you want more space and it will squish out the liner there.
  • JmoskiJmoski Posts: 330 Solid Baller
    I run a full reflex liner in my r-style rear. When I ordered it I asked for a Velcro strap to secure the top. My handy wife stitched it in place - works great.

  • NandoNando Posts: 558 Crazy Baller
    Just received the $25 Fluid Motion liners and they are extremely comfortable and look well-made. For the R-style, it will need to be shortened or have a strap added, but at that price, if you're looking for replacement liners, I don' think these can be beat.
  • BdeckerBdecker Posts: 296 Solid Baller
    My intuition liner for the rear is shot, and i’m thinking of moving to a short liner in the rear (r-style boot already). Can you run footbeds in the standard reflex short liner? It is unclear if that is a moldable liner from descriptions I’ve seen.
  • Ed_JohnsonEd_Johnson Posts: 2,188
    When I switched to the R-Style rear, I did not go with the short liner. Instead I opted for the thin Reflex Liner, which came with the Velcro strap attached to it. Fools your subconscious into thinking you are still in a full boot, but now have a greater range of motion. Is heat moldable and works great.

    Special Thanks to Performance Ski and Surf and the Denali Adam's !!!
  • BdeckerBdecker Posts: 296 Solid Baller
    Thanks @Ed_Johnson - I found the transition super easy and don’t think I need to fool myself with a taller liner any longer. I have been running a full liner since August with an R-style and no velcro. I actually have a brand new set of intuitions in my garage, but I kinda like the idea of a shorter liner if I can still run my footbeds. Maybe I should just take them to a tailor/seamstress and have her shorter it.
  • skierjpskierjp Posts: 812 Crazy Baller
    The Intuition liners that come in the Radar Vapor bindings are the best I've seen. They last forever and will not have any bad smell. The liner that came on the Reflex I tried was junk!
  • jwakesjwakes Posts: 24 Baller
    My 2 cents- after blowing through 2 reflex thin liners (the Velcro is chincy) I decided to try the newest reflex short liner for my r-type. It’s not very comfortable.... not sure what to do. I liked the thin ones but the tongue would pop out sometimes if u didn’t strap the daylights out of the Velcro and even then the plastic piece would turn in it and it would just be all jacked up. Bad design and cheaply made for both so I’m looking for another thought.
  • JohnNJohnN Posts: 126 Baller
    Heat molding the short liner made all the difference for me with the R-type. Only drawback I've found is the heel wears quickly from going in and out, or lifting while skiing or something.
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,975 Infinite Pandas
    I was pretty surprised at how easy the heat molding process was at home. I heated the oven to 225, put the liner on a piece of foil, got nervous after 2 minutes and turned off the oven. I let it coast while I made some foam toe caps to tape over the ends of my toes and put on a sock. After about 10 minutes, I pulled it out to find it was soft and gooey and I put it in the shell and clamped it in. Magic improvement on comfort! Very easy.

  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 4,243 Mega Baller
    If you are married there will be a double layered cookie sheet. Use that to avoid scorched liner
  • StickmanStickman Posts: 35 Baller
    I recently switched from a Radar rear to an R-Style. I hesitated to make the switch because I really like the Radar (Intuition) liners. The standard R-Style liner fits the binding well and does the job. The Radar liner could be used but the tongue wants to pop-out, so a strap would need to be used. I like the Fluid Motion (Intuition) wrap style liners. The short one is expensive because the top is hand sewn - which I could do without. My ideal liner would be a short FM Tour Pro, possibly with the Radar footbed. My $.02.
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,975 Infinite Pandas
    An advantage to a high rear liner (with an appropriate strap to keep it closed) is that the high liner will provide some protection against shin burn. Maybe you could even use a spray leg to keep the liner closed and completely deal with the shin burn problem without getting razzed by others!

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