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AWSA. New rulle. Split trick 5 in subgroups

gsm_petergsm_peter Posts: 763 Crazy Baller
edited April 2019 in Trick and Jump
ncwsa.com

rule-update-awsa-trick-5-split-to-allow-more-surface-spins

If I understand correctly:
One can now get credit for all 5 surface tricks. No limitation on number of spinns.

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  • z_skierz_skier Posts: 35 Baller
    Correct! Thanks to the rule change, I added a 5F and 5B in addition to my O's and received 220 more points.
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,917 Infinite Pandas
    It's cool that you can do more surface turns!

    I haven't read the exact rule but the scoring program at the latest tournament gave credit for O, R and BB, R. I don't think you can score 5F, B, R5F. The multiple turn surface turns don't have reverses (I think). But I think you can do 5F and 5B in the same run (not necessarily together?).

    Anyone have the scoring program to run some sequences for us?
    O, R, B, BB, R, 5F, 5B, 7B
    O, R, SS, B, BB, R, WF, WB, 5F, B, F, R, R, 5B, F, 7F (making sure there aren't reverse issues)
    O, R, B, BB, R, 5F, B, R5F

    Eric
  • wski1831wski1831 Posts: 119 Baller
    Really like the new rule. Very good idea. Thanks rules committee
  • JeffSurdejJeffSurdej Posts: 556 USAWS Official
    @eleeski you can do them all Eric, 5b, 5f, r, r, 7f, 7b, r,r
    AWSA President
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 28,071 Administrator
    @JeffSurdej wouldn't you think that if anybody would read the trick rules it would be @eleeski ?

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  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,917 Infinite Pandas
    @JeffSurdej Can you post the text of the rules for us. There is confusion and I have been unable to find the exact wording. Thanks.

    Eric
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,195 Mega Baller
    @eleeski

    http://www.usawaterski.org/pages/divisions/3event/AWSARulesChangesSummary.pdf

    11.12F4 is the surface trick change
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  • gsm_petergsm_peter Posts: 763 Crazy Baller
    May the trick and the reverse be separated?
    Tricks in between?
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  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,917 Infinite Pandas
    edited April 2019
    @gsm_peter For 5s or 9s, there must be a 180 degree turn between them. For some silly reason, that is limited to B, F, WB, WF. No 5s between.

    So this sequence is not OK:
    5B, 5F, R5B
    Must be:
    5B, F, R5B, 5F

    For all tricks that don't change direction 180, the reverse must immediately follow the initial trick.

    Eric
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  • KelvinKelvin Posts: 1,161 Mega Baller
    @eleeski @JeffSurdej Eric, your description of the reverses is different from what Jeff posted above. Jeff says you can do 5b, 5f, r, r.
    Kelvin Kelm, Lakes of Katy, Katy Texas
  • JeffSurdejJeffSurdej Posts: 556 USAWS Official
    Regarding the new trick rule.
    Those 5s and 7s are all allowed.
    The reverse tricks can still only have a 180 degree positioning trick between the 5s.
    So a 540F needs to have the b and then the reverse 540F same for 540B needs a F before the reverse 540B.

    B, 7B, R, 5F, Brpt, R5F, 5B, F, R5B, 7B, R7B, BB, RBB, Frpt, Brpt, R, R, Frpt, O, R on one ski! Second pass two skis!!!!
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 28,071 Administrator
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  • GarGar Posts: 311 Baller
    Sorry @Horton fat finger on dislike
  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,315 Mega Baller
    @Gar just “un-dislike” it.
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  • GarGar Posts: 311 Baller
    @klindy how?
  • gsm_petergsm_peter Posts: 763 Crazy Baller
    Click again. Toggle function.
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  • dislanddisland Posts: 1,325 Mega Baller
    I hope the judges can get this right. Seems they cut the 7 as O,O a lot
    Dave Island- Princeton Lakes
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,917 Infinite Pandas
    @disland 7F was a very rare trick. It had limited real value in a run. Now it has value and we will see it a lot more. That should help the judging.

    With that said, spend your time working on wake tricks or toe tricks. The point payoff vs difficulty (both to learn and to execute) favors advanced tricks over more surface tricks. Plus they are way more fun and dynamic.

    This is a good long awaited rule. But do not make surface turns the focus of your tricking.

    Eric
    disland
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,195 Mega Baller
    when I was spinning on a WB as a "trick" ski, I would always have to check that the judges got it right, and learned that turning in a "dream sheet" was the best way to head off problems
    BallOfSpray Pacific Northwest Vice President of Event Management, aka "Zappy"
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  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 5,968 Mega Baller
    @RichardDoane one of our guys in the Northeast that tricks on a wakeboard also put a strap around his lead leg which made it easier to keep track of what was going on. I find it harder to call tricks on a wakeboard.
    Mark Shaffer
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  • GusGus Posts: 63 Baller
    edited August 2019
    Is there anything in the rules that prevents a wake (spin) trick that doesn't get enough air from being counted as a surface spin trick?
  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,315 Mega Baller
    @Gus AWSA rule 11.12E “A wake turn is a trick performed in mid-air while crossing the crest of the wake. A wake turn not executed in mid-air and across the crest of the wake scores zero.”
    Keith Lindemulder
    AWSA Vice President
    AWSA Southern Region EVP
    Gus
  • GusGus Posts: 63 Baller
    edited August 2019
    @klindy Thanks! It doesn't look completely foolproof the way it is formulated, but as long as all the judges understand that failed wake spins should not be counted as surface spins it'll be fine I guess. Or maybe add something like: "Surface turns that cross the crest of the wake are considered wake turns and will score zero." to be less ambiguous.
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