AWSA. New rulle. Split trick 5 in subgroups

gsm_peter · April 2019

ncwsa.com

rule-update-awsa-trick-5-split-to-allow-more-surface-spins

If I understand correctly:
One can now get credit for all 5 surface tricks. No limitation on number of spinns.

z_skier · April 2019

Correct! Thanks to the rule change, I added a 5F and 5B in addition to my O's and received 220 more points.

eleeski · April 2019

It's cool that you can do more surface turns!

I haven't read the exact rule but the scoring program at the latest tournament gave credit for O, R and BB, R. I don't think you can score 5F, B, R5F. The multiple turn surface turns don't have reverses (I think). But I think you can do 5F and 5B in the same run (not necessarily together?).

Anyone have the scoring program to run some sequences for us?
O, R, B, BB, R, 5F, 5B, 7B
O, R, SS, B, BB, R, WF, WB, 5F, B, F, R, R, 5B, F, 7F (making sure there aren't reverse issues)
O, R, B, BB, R, 5F, B, R5F

Eric

wski1831 · April 2019

Really like the new rule. Very good idea. Thanks rules committee

JeffSurdej · April 2019

@eleeski you can do them all Eric, 5b, 5f, r, r, 7f, 7b, r,r

Horton · April 2019

@JeffSurdej wouldn't you think that if anybody would read the trick rules it would be @eleeski ?

eleeski · April 2019

@JeffSurdej Can you post the text of the rules for us. There is confusion and I have been unable to find the exact wording. Thanks.

Eric

RichardDoane · April 2019

@eleeski

http://www.usawaterski.org/pages/divisions/3event/AWSARulesChangesSummary.pdf

11.12F4 is the surface trick change

gsm_peter · April 2019

May the trick and the reverse be separated?
Tricks in between?

eleeski · April 2019

@gsm_peter For 5s or 9s, there must be a 180 degree turn between them. For some silly reason, that is limited to B, F, WB, WF. No 5s between.

So this sequence is not OK:
5B, 5F, R5B
Must be:
5B, F, R5B, 5F

For all tricks that don't change direction 180, the reverse must immediately follow the initial trick.

Eric

Kelvin · April 2019

@eleeski @JeffSurdej Eric, your description of the reverses is different from what Jeff posted above. Jeff says you can do 5b, 5f, r, r.

JeffSurdej · April 2019

Regarding the new trick rule.
Those 5s and 7s are all allowed.
The reverse tricks can still only have a 180 degree positioning trick between the 5s.
So a 540F needs to have the b and then the reverse 540F same for 540B needs a F before the reverse 540B.

B, 7B, R, 5F, Brpt, R5F, 5B, F, R5B, 7B, R7B, BB, RBB, Frpt, Brpt, R, R, Frpt, O, R on one ski! Second pass two skis!!!!

Horton · April 2019

Can you guys hear that? Listen carefully. Yes yes that is the sound of Richelle banging her head against a brick wall.

Gar · April 2019

Sorry @Horton fat finger on dislike

klindy · April 2019

@Gar just “un-dislike” it.

Gar · April 2019

@klindy how?

gsm_peter · April 2019

Click again. Toggle function.

disland · April 2019

I hope the judges can get this right. Seems they cut the 7 as O,O a lot

eleeski · April 2019

@disland 7F was a very rare trick. It had limited real value in a run. Now it has value and we will see it a lot more. That should help the judging.

With that said, spend your time working on wake tricks or toe tricks. The point payoff vs difficulty (both to learn and to execute) favors advanced tricks over more surface tricks. Plus they are way more fun and dynamic.

This is a good long awaited rule. But do not make surface turns the focus of your tricking.

Eric

RichardDoane · April 2019

when I was spinning on a WB as a "trick" ski, I would always have to check that the judges got it right, and learned that turning in a "dream sheet" was the best way to head off problems

Chef23 · April 2019

@RichardDoane one of our guys in the Northeast that tricks on a wakeboard also put a strap around his lead leg which made it easier to keep track of what was going on. I find it harder to call tricks on a wakeboard.

Gus · August 2019

Is there anything in the rules that prevents a wake (spin) trick that doesn't get enough air from being counted as a surface spin trick?

klindy · August 2019

@Gus AWSA rule 11.12E “A wake turn is a trick performed in mid-air while crossing the crest of the wake. A wake turn not executed in mid-air and across the crest of the wake scores zero.”

Gus · August 2019

@klindy Thanks! It doesn't look completely foolproof the way it is formulated, but as long as all the judges understand that failed wake spins should not be counted as surface spins it'll be fine I guess. Or maybe add something like: "Surface turns that cross the crest of the wake are considered wake turns and will score zero." to be less ambiguous.

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