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New In-Tow Handle

SkiRVSkiRV Posts: 42 Baller
edited March 2009 in Skis Fins Bindings
<a href="http://www.jlbmfg.com/My_Homepage_Files/IMG_89.jpg">http://www.jlbmfg.com/My_Homepage_Files/IMG_89.jpg</a>
Bruce Smith

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,720 Administrator
    edited March 2009
    what is the point? Safety? That would block my head but not my arm. Not a bad idea....

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  • SkiRVSkiRV Posts: 42 Baller
    <div>
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    Bruce Smith
  • Thomas WayneThomas Wayne Posts: 550 New Baller
    <p>
    Frankly, having had my arm caught in the handle before, that picture scares the hell out of me.
    </p>
    <p>
    Now, before anyone jumps on me claiming that I am trying to discredit
    the idea simply because it might compete with our ARM-GUARD, I'd like
    to point out that in the past I've published photos and contact
    information for competing products that I felt <em>could </em>improve handle safety.
    </p>
    <p>
    In this case, however - while Brenda's design obviously reduces the likelihood of getting one's <em>head </em>through the opening - if you get your <em>arm </em>in
    there you may be in very serious trouble.  When a skier falls and his
    arm inadvertently goes into the bridle opening, it will generally come
    back out pretty easily.  Some level of injury usually occurs as it's
    yanked free, but <em>rarely</em> is the skier caught up enough that
    he'll be dragged behind the boat.  With this design I think there is a
    much greater chance that a skier's arm could be pretty seriously
    wrapped up in the whole thing.
    </p>
    <p>
    Aiden Willers, the skier from New Zealand who was injured at last
    year's Princes Cup (UK), reportedly fell in a twisting fashion such
    that the handle slid all the way up to his armpit as he landed on his
    back.  If I understand the descriptions I've been given, this means
    that his arm was in a position to be yanked with extreme force prior to
    releasing.  Of all the <strong>arm</strong>-through-handle
    injuries I've chronicled so far his seems to be the worst, with severe
    muscle and ligament tears and a ruptured artery that nearly resulted in
    amputation.  Even after several surgeries immediately following the
    accident it was still unclear [at the time] if he would keep the arm or
    not.
    </p>
    <p>
    I suffered an upper arm fracture that was clinically described as
    "just about as bad as it gets".  I don't ever want to get my arm
    through the handle again,and I <em>especially</em> don't want to be dragged down the lake if I do.  This design does not, in my opnion, appear to prevent either.
    </p>
    <p>
    TW
    </p>
    <p>
    (PS: I like Brenda and I think she offers excellent ropes, handle
    assemblies and other products, and I would recommend her work to
    anyone; I especially like her mainline/shortline ropes, and consider
    them the best we've ever had.)
    </p>
  • adamhcaldwelladamhcaldwell Posts: 692 Open or Level 9 Skier
    <p>
    Yeah, get your arm through a smaller hole, and less likely to come out.  NO THANKS! 
    </p>
    <p>
     Anyone know what the percentages are for:
    </p>
    <p>
     Out of all skiers;
    </p>
    <ul>
    <li>How many have put their head though the handle in a fall?</li>
    <li>How many have put their arm through the handle in a fall?</li>
    <li>How many have never done anything like that? </li>
    </ul>
    <p>
    Horton, I smell a survey!
    </p>
    <p>
     Are we really supposed to engineer safety devices to prevent ALL accidents?  Theres is an inherant risk with everything.  Ski smart, and you will minimize your risk of injury. 
    </p>
    <p>
     
    </p>
  • Thomas WayneThomas Wayne Posts: 550 New Baller
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    <p>
    We've compiled data from every water safety study I could find. 
    Surprisingly few states keep detailed spreadsheets on water skiing injuries -
    preferring simply <em>"water skiing"</em> as the cause of injury. 
    A number of states will list the sub-category <em>"rope</em>/<em>handle
    injuries"</em>, and a few actually separate out "<em>body part through
    handle"</em> as an independent cause.  It might be noted that such
    annual state records can only be of the accidents severe enough to seek
    emergency medical attention, so that the accident report manages to get into
    the state database to begin with.
    </p>
    <p>
     Extrapolating the data from the few states that <strong>do</strong> keep such
    detailed records, and adding in the many, many stories we've heard or read from
    our customers we estimate the number of arm-through-handle accidents,
    world-wide, to be several dozen per year.  These injuries range from
    severe bruising all the way to loss of functional use of the limb.
    </p>
    <p>
    Head-through-handle injuries, such as those that killed Scott Worthington
    and Brent Yager, are much rarer - though they almost always make the news in
    one way or another.  When a water-skiing accident is fatal, annual
    state reports generally lump these into the <em>"Recreational Boating
    Deaths"</em> category, or into a <em>"Water skiing Deaths"</em>
    sub-category without additional details.  Historically, survival is the <strong>least
    </strong>likely outcome of  a head-through-handle fall.
    </p>
    <p>
    Around 30 years ago I was scheduled to go in for some sort of surgery and a
    friend of mine asked me if I would be under general anesthetic (completely “out"). 
    When I said that I would be he said, "Don't do it.  Some people go
    under like that and never wake up."  I told him I had researched a
    bit and the chance of that happening was on the order of one in ten thousand. 
    He replied, "Yeah... but if it's YOU it's a hundred percent!"
    </p>
    <span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'">That same math applies to handle injuries.</span>
    <p>
    TW
    </p>
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